I'll tell my point.

People always talk about how they feel male or feel female.  Well, what does that feel like?

I've been both in this lifetime and y'know, I always just felt like me.

But some people don't just feel like "me". Some people really feel male or female. Can you speak for everyone? That's honestly what I'm getting from this post.


-Merrick

Quote from: Mister on January 12, 2009, 08:10:36 PM
I'll tell my point.

People always talk about how they feel male or feel female.  Well, what does that feel like?

I've been both in this lifetime and y'know, I always just felt like me.

If you said you feel like you and you are male inside then that is enough is it not? Otherwise it is a bit like trying to describe the color blue.

Perhaps your internal identity has always been pretty firm so you don't see where Merrick is comming from. It sounds to me that Merrick is still finding out what their internal identity is to reconcile all the feelings around what would make them most comfortable as a person. 

I'm not attempting to speak for anyone.

What i'm saying is that I don't feel like ANYTHING.  I never felt that *I* was wrong, so I cannot relate to anyone that does.  What I'm asking is for someone to EXPLAIN it instead of just pointing at it and saying, "Yes, that."

Quote from: Mister on January 12, 2009, 09:46:22 PM
I'm not attempting to speak for anyone.

What i'm saying is that I don't feel like ANYTHING.  I never felt that *I* was wrong, so I cannot relate to anyone that does.  What I'm asking is for someone to EXPLAIN it instead of just pointing at it and saying, "Yes, that."

if you cant explain, why are you expecting merrick to?

Quote from: Josh on January 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM

Quote from: Mister on January 12, 2009, 09:46:22 PM
I'm not attempting to speak for anyone.

What i'm saying is that I don't feel like ANYTHING.  I never felt that *I* was wrong, so I cannot relate to anyone that does.  What I'm asking is for someone to EXPLAIN it instead of just pointing at it and saying, "Yes, that."

if you cant explain, why are you expecting merrick to?

I did.  WTF post did you read?

Mister, we're not ganging up, we just don't understand why you keep reacting the way you do. You clearly are having difficulty explaining what's up to us.


-Merrick

Quote from: Mister on January 12, 2009, 10:00:54 PM

Quote from: Josh on January 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM

Quote from: Mister on January 12, 2009, 09:46:22 PM
I'm not attempting to speak for anyone.

What i'm saying is that I don't feel like ANYTHING.  I never felt that *I* was wrong, so I cannot relate to anyone that does.  What I'm asking is for someone to EXPLAIN it instead of just pointing at it and saying, "Yes, that."

if you cant explain, why are you expecting merrick to?

I did.  WTF post did you read?

you keep telling merrick to explain how they feel male, but you cant even do that.  you just say that you feel like you.  but im fairly sure that you identify as male.  correct?

ok, people.  let's start over.


Merrick (and hoards of others)  claim they "feel male" inside or "feel female" inside.

EXPLAIN THAT.  WTF does "man" feel like?  what does "woman" feel like?  Truly, if this cannot be explained then I am forced to stick to my personal conclusion that it's BS.  I mean, if it cannot be expressed by those who 'feel zomg manly" then it cannot be compared...  so then who's to say what "male" feels like?

It's a farce, me thinks.  oh yes, I do.

i feel... mushy inside.  not like im going to cry mushy.. but like pudding mushy.   all i know is i dont like my body and i better fit the role deemed "male" by society than the female role.  sounds like merrick is going through something similar.

Quote from: Mister on January 12, 2009, 10:19:53 PM
Merrick (and hoards of others)  claim they "feel male" inside or "feel female" inside.

EXPLAIN THAT.  WTF does "man" feel like?  what does "woman" feel like? 

My partner and I were talking about this a while ago, sie said that describing it as "feeling like a woman or man" wasn't necessarily the most effective way to express it. Feelings are anger, sadness, joy, etc. That makes perfect sense to me, man or woman isn't really a feeling.

Best I can come up with how I feel in other terms is to simply say that I am not happy or comfortable living as a man, living as a woman, or not man, is more right for me.

Zythyra

I see there is some tension here.

Please step back and relax before answering a post that might cause you to feel frustrated.

And, please do not take this argument into PMs.


There is no reason that anyone should be made to feel uncomfortable, frustrated, or put on the defensive.

Quote from: Rebis on January 13, 2009, 02:04:16 PM

I see there is some tension here.

Please step back and relax before answering a post that might cause you to feel frustrated.

And, please do not take this argument into PMs.


There is no reason that anyone should be made to feel uncomfortable, frustrated, or put on the defensive.

you're a bit late Rebis.

Quote from: Mister on January 12, 2009, 10:19:53 PM
ok, people.  let's start over.


Merrick (and hoards of others)  claim they "feel male" inside or "feel female" inside.

EXPLAIN THAT.  WTF does "man" feel like?  what does "woman" feel like?  Truly, if this cannot be explained then I am forced to stick to my personal conclusion that it's BS.  I mean, if it cannot be expressed by those who 'feel zomg manly" then it cannot be compared...  so then who's to say what "male" feels like?

It's a farce, me thinks.  oh yes, I do.

Tone it down Mister or else.  Your post is bordering on a personal attack which will not be tolerated on this site.

Want to chat about it, PM Me

Steph

If you can feel your insides, you ought to see a doctor.


With a couple of exeptions...

Quote from: Blueflare on January 13, 2009, 07:01:12 PM
If you can feel your insides, you ought to see a doctor.


With a couple of exeptions...

Quote from: Blueflare on January 13, 2009, 07:01:12 PM
If you can feel your insides, you ought to see a doctor.


With a couple of exeptions...

lol its just what i imagine i feel like.

Here's my go at answering your question Mister:

I agree that no matter what you're you regardless of gender. I think for many of us "feeling" a gender (male or female) is our disphoria. You feel the need to express yourself so strongly and you're taught all these things that are labeled as male or female but what you want to do is the opposite. Therefore it can lead you to labeling it as feeling that gender.

No one can explain what feeling a gender is because it's not an exact feeling.

It might help to understand the point people are trying to make if you don't take things quite so literally.

I used to be very gender fluid but eventually it settled down and I'm FtM. So that could happen to you, or maybe you'll always be fluid. You just have to sit it out and see.

Quote from: Osiris on January 13, 2009, 10:35:15 PM
Here's my go at answering your question Mister:

I agree that no matter what you're you regardless of gender. I think for many of us "feeling" a gender (male or female) is our disphoria. You feel the need to express yourself so strongly and you're taught all these things that are labeled as male or female but what you want to do is the opposite. Therefore it can lead you to labeling it as feeling that gender.

No one can explain what feeling a gender is because it's not an exact feeling.

It might help to understand the point people are trying to make if you don't take things quite so literally.

It's what i do.