QuoteRe: what if we're mentally ill?

We?  "we" is just waaaayy too many people!


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Mental illness (disorder) is defined by the four D's: Deviant, Distressing, Dysfunctional, and Dangerous. A mental illness is some behavior that deviates from 'normal,' whatever that is, causes distress to the person with the disorder, hampers their ability to function in life, and poses some danger to themselves or those around them. Gender issues may deviate from the norm and cause distress, but it does not cause dysfunction or present a danger to anyone. Therefore it is not a mental disorder.

For a transsexual, the body is in good working order. The mind is in good working order too. It is not a disease at all.

The only problem is the mismatch between the two. Remember what it was like when you were little, and by mistake put your right shoe on your left foot, and your left shoe on your right foot? Felt kind of weird to try walking that way, didn't it? If you walked like that for a long time, it would hurt your feet. We just have our whole lives on the wrong way around, that's all.

Quote from: Chrissty on January 18, 2009, 03:10:38 PM


... does this mean that everyone in the world might actually be transgendered, but only a few of us come to recognise it....Could expalin a lot..?

there's black, there's white, and millions of shades in-between.  I think the gender spectrum might run something like: 

Extremely female, very female, female, somewhat female, maybe female, maybe male, somewhat male, male, very male, extremely male.......and millions of gradations between.  You get the idea.

Who made the rule that there are male, female, androgyne, only?
Why are there so many shades of yellow in the same species of flower?  Life diversifies, like a well-run business.  It's the best solution to survival.  There is diversity, or random mutation running things everywhere you look.

Enjoy whatever shade you are....



Bev

Mental illness (disorder) is defined by the four D's: Deviant, Distressing, Dysfunctional, and Dangerous

You forgot one D, the one Starbuck pointed out, the DSM.  If your in it, you have a psychological problem according to the psychological profession, simple as that.

This APA is the American Psychological Association. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is researched, compiled and published by the American Psychiatric Association. 

I stand corrected.  But what I said still stands.

whether trans people are or aren't mentally ill, someone will certainly think you are, at some point along the way, and will do their damnedest to make you "feel" like you are.

i can pretty much guarantee you that such people do *not* have your best interest in mind.

therefore, ignore them!

if everyone were required to spill out endless explanations for their actions, the way trans people so often do, they too would have much weirdness to account for, trust me on that.

but see, they don't wanna talk about their own weirdness, they wanna focus on *your* weirdness, to make themselves feel better in their own sorry little excuses for lives.

i'm sorry, but i could care less what they think.

-ell

Quote from: Nichole on January 18, 2009, 10:51:42 PM
This APA is the American Psychological Association. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is researched, compiled and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Fair cop... how was i meant to know that!

Bev: who said that androgyne was a socially accepted sex now? its the same case tbh...

As for this lot, didnt someone mention some gene? If it has a genetic cause, or some form of gentic switch, its not a 'mental illness' as to date, nobody has been born mentally ill.. disabled yes, brain damaged yes...

But as able bodied, sane people, i _I_ feel im anything but mentally ill... My uncle is classically mentally ill if there is such thing... Hes scytsophrenic (sp), he sees blue electricity, and has major problems living... That fits the 4 Ds tekla mentioned quite amiably...

Im perfectly functional. Deviant? Accuse every other woman on the planet of that too and watch the response... Destressing? to me, yes, to others, no... But not now its fixed largely... Dangerous? Oh i aspire to it...
One of the 4 does not a madwoman make...

"what if we're not mentally ill?"
Yes!!! That's it!!
We live as though we have a right to. We love. We work. We meet others on our own terms. We believe in ourselves.
Seems like a great plan!
Namaste, Lunae

We were born....


We have a right to live and work REGARDLESS of who we are. Life is a right they cant take yet

Would it be better if ''we'' were only sinners for example?

I used 'we' as in all humans....

wait, trans people are sinners now?

According to Christianity all people are sinners. But religious fanatics classify transpeople as sinners with big S. Witches were partially just gender-variant people I guess. Those who were burnt alive.

I'm A sinner in some folks opinion. But actually I do my best to be honest and considerate towards others. Although I do like to kid about a bit from time to time. Even then I'll Usually tell folks that I'm kidding

Um, witches have what to do with transgender?

As for christian fanatics.... i say let he who is without sin, cast the first stone... a christian saying no?  Nobody has the right to persecute another human, so by thier own definition, they sin also.

God loves everyone, of every faith equally. No more than others, no less than others. Whoever/whatever you are, human, animal, vegetable or mineral... hes everyones god...

its point in a discussion on the relative yeys or neys of trans being mental illness is confusing at best, sin is nothing to do with this, unless someone suggests mental illness is punishment for sin.. in which case ill go Jew-jitsu on thier asses...

I'm a carrot and I'm taking off on my broomstick to bomb the sinners against carrots 

Owo... stop that Monty Python stuff....Silly Virginia

I can't help it. I love the kick starter on my broom stick 

Oh darn, I'm not a carrot. I'm a peach. I guess I'll have to saddle up and go bomb the sinners against peaches

I rather think I was mentally ill before coming to terms with being female trapped in the wrong body. At least in terms of symptoms. The acceptance and realisation of who I am was the cure for that particular ailment.

Now my mental state has never been better, and the focus has shifted to a physical condition, one which I already know how to resolve.

Quote from: Starbuck on January 19, 2009, 05:22:00 AM

Quote from: Nichole on January 18, 2009, 10:51:42 PM
This APA is the American Psychological Association. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is researched, compiled and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Fair cop... how was i meant to know that!
...

... Dangerous? Oh i aspire to it...

One of the 4 does not a madwoman make...

1) In order, my dear. You weren't supposed to know that. Lots of people don't which is why I made the distinction. When you have two APAs that deal with substantially the same thing well, lots of folks confuse the two.

2) O, sweetie, not only do you aspire, sometimes you absolutely reach that place!! 

3) Again, right, you need the royal flush!

Quote from: Starbuck on January 19, 2009, 07:18:36 AM
Um, witches have what to do with transgender?

Well, when one is both I suppose we have one or two small intersections with it, no? 

And what followed that was excellently said.

Nichole

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