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What's with all the Japan-mania?

Started by Hypatia, November 30, 2008, 10:27:26 PM

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Ryan

I dunno to be honest. It's just my view on it.
Some people might disagree completely. But I know people who feel like that about anime. Especially those that participate in cosplay exibits and stuff.
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Hypatia

I reflected some more on why am I taking an interest in this question myself. Questioning of today's Japanophilia might be coming from a place of American nationalism, a sense of dismay that Americans are forsaking their own culture for a foreign one. I am not coming from that place, since I myself have spent much of my life living my fascination for another Asian culture. So I could never pass for a jingoistic American patriot.

In age I'm like a kid sister of the hippies, my formative years were the 1960s, and I grew up like so many others of that time with my mind bent by the sounds of George Harrison's sitar. Like so many other hippies, I felt inspired to listen to the source, Indian music like Ravi Shankar. From there I developed a lifelong absorption in Indian culture-- I mainly cook Indian cuisine, my home always scented with the aroma of spices and nag champa incense, I've worn Indian clothes for many years, I taught myself Hindi and Tamil and translated poetry from those languages, I even took a class in Sanskrit, I became a fan of both Hindustani and Carnatic music, I'm mad about Bharata Natyam and attend performance of it at a local Hindu temple, I taught myself to play tabla and other Indian instruments, and I've practiced various types of Hindu and Buddhist meditation and yoga over the years, most of all Tantric yoga which has permeated my breath and my body's energy through years of practice. I've watched more Bollywood in my life than any of you have seen anime, I bet.

I assimilated into the Indian diaspora community here and became accepted among them as someone who understands the culture. I even went and got married in India (though I later came to regret that). I often considered moving to India to live. I really loved my stay over there and hated to return to America afterwards.

So I can definitely relate to people's fascination with an Asian culture; I've largely patterned my life after one. (Though in recent years my radical Indianization has somewhat worn off me as I've become more re-integrated with the West.) I can easily imagine other Americans looking at me funny and asking what makes me such an India freak wannabe.

One of the earliest gender-crossing experiences I can remember is when I was 4 years old, an Indian woman visited my preschool classroom and demonstrated to the girls how to wrap a sari. I looked on, feeling myself to be one of the girls, and when I came out as trans the very first thing I did was apply that lesson by wearing a sari. I got the sari-wrapping technique right on the first try. Seeing me, Hindus might say memsahib was Indian in a former lifetime...
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Constance

I have a very strange relationship to culture.

What most people I know would consider to be Italian cuisine is, to me, just home cooking. My mother if FBI: Full Blooded Italian. While both of her parents were born in the US, all four of her grandparents were born in Italy. I'm American, but Italian food seems to me to be part of American culture.

I also love Chinese and Japanese food, though I don't consider those to be part of American culture. My guess is because my mother didn't regularly cook these things.

I do enjoy the sounds of some Asian instruments, and I love the look of sari. But, I wouldn't necessarily consider myself to be an Asianophile or Japanophile. I just like the things that appeal to my senses regardless of their origins.

Lisbeth

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krisalyx

now i'm probally gonna screw this up by saying this (takes deep breath) (now don't laugh ok) (i say this a lot but never in public or i try not to at least watashi wa boku wa homo desu) but strangly enough every documention says that roughly it's hello i'm a ->-bleeped-<-got or close, but really i read a lot of manga right now i'm reading higurashi vol 1 oh goddess it's horibly cute & bloody at the same time & lets see negima! it's just basacly what if harry potter was a shota who was teaching in japan & he's got a harum but's it's funny as hell vol 9's got the best bits with chachimaru running amok, and even some tg & crosdressing during the carnavel arc, and even some moment towards the end of that arc about who negi hooks up with, but i gave up on it considereing delray's slowness bringing it out to the states, and anime i'm watching right now black cat, burst angel, BLEACH & code geass, but i've always liked the language and the colture.
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Pica Pica

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America has very little culture of its own. We are just consumers not artists or poets. Rather then be focused on a passion we work for the man to buy toys. Marketing has sold you out.

America has a rich culture, other people in the world are much more aware of it than we are. The corporations sell us dreck, and we stand in line for more.

Z

i've noticed that.

More people here know about zappa or beefheart or residents or pollock or dr john or television or iggy and the stooges or howling wolf or kurt vonnegut or phillip roth and all sorts of (what i would think was a taut) american culture than most americans i've met.

you lot have some great stuff, but statistically, we have consumed more of it then you. Marquee Moon for example was a top ten album here, not even a top 100 one there.
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tekla

I think that is easy to say if your watching American culture through a TV, but the real stuff happens off that screen.  Yes, there is a huge swatch of junk - not something that Japan has ever held back on either, but I think a lot of people in a lot of places in this nation, and not just the obvious ones, know a lot more than you give them credit for.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Rachael

I have noticed a distinct japanmania link with trans people... bit like with computers too... What can it all mean? A grab for things to identify as? with? I dont mind anime, but i cant understand the obsession...  As for american culture, theres plenty... look under a nearby trash can and see...

*runs*
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Hypatia

Quote from: Starbuck on January 19, 2009, 07:07:32 PM
I have noticed a distinct japanmania link with trans people... bit like with computers too... What can it all mean?

I'm guessing Ranma ½ must be the culprit. For that matter, ask our "a.k.a. Hazumu" sometime how she chose her name.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Rachael

this isnt some of that girls growing penises out of thier vagina style japanese anime stuff? thats far too common for coincidence with this link... >< The japanese seem as obsessed with that as transwomen can be with Japan
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krisalyx

you can blame that on 4chans b-tards and their goramned obsesion about futa girls, oh and the question about ranma well it could be considered one of the first to talk about it but you've got to go back a little further to (i think) rose of versalies it's one of the first if not the first to have a tg themed story, and it's spirtual follow up shoujo kakumei utena pretty much the same theme but with 100% more gay and mind->-bleeped-<-ery, try watching the series & the movie. i mean both series had crossdressing themes but while rose had a bad end lead character gets killed off in the last episode utena had a sort of kind of happy ending, just wiki both series for more info.

Post Merge: January 20, 2009, 04:27:17 AM

oh and here's the links to the wikipedia articles for the rose of versailles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rose_of_Versailles  & for shoujo kakumei utena http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoujo_Kakumei_Utena
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Rachael

Sorry hon, i didnt follow half of that....
and im not sure what showing me transgender anime show links will do... im still as amused by the trans > japan, japan > trans link. There seems a disturbing amout of transgender anime and hentai? porn... only the japanese ><
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soldierjane

Quote from: Starbuck on January 19, 2009, 07:18:24 PM
this isnt some of that girls growing penises out of thier vagina style japanese anime stuff? thats far too common for coincidence with this link... >< The japanese seem as obsessed with that as transwomen can be with Japan

Geek culture loves stuff from Japan and there happen to be a lot of geek transwomen. Japan itself, while having less of a hangup about gender play for youths, regards it with disgust if the subject is older or if they intend to actually switch genders for good. Japan is only just now waking up to understanding actual transsexualism.

Futanari, what you refer to, is as much of a porn dream as "->-bleeped-<-s" are here. I wouldn't pay much heed to that.
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Hypatia

I had never heard of futanari until it was brought up here just now. And urghghgh... I'm sorry I looked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari
I feel like dropping the subject of Japan now.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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cindybc

I use to like animes, I knew there was some perversion on animes but this is the first time I actually see it. There ain't no other word that comes to mind except for perversion of something that I though was supposed to be cute. "Chauvinist pigs spoil everything that is supposed to be nice!!!!!"  >:(

Cindy
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Kim6

The chauvinism doesn't bother me as much as the pedophilia, little cartoon school girls getting raped by tentacled monsters etc.  It is funny because they are into such bizarre nasty sh*t, (literally) but they censor their porn with mosaic.  What is up with that?  In Japan you can buy a can out of a public vending machine that has an artificial disposable vagina built into it.  But I think mainly Japan has a much higher standard of living than we do in the United States so having Japan stuff is a status symbol.  That and the naughty cartoon stuff.  Did I mention they have a much higher standard of living than we do in the US?
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cindybc

pedophilian male chauvinist pigs....hmm I think I just invented a new word, but I can't think of anything more....monstrous to call them.

Cindy
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tekla

Did I mention they have a much higher standard of living than we do in the US?

Depends on how and who defines it.  As for all this stuff, the rape/little school girl cartoons, its just a gangster rap deal in Japan, its not the culture, but merely a looking glass refection of the underside of it.  Little to nothing that has been discussed in this thread is anything but the most stereotyped commerical stuff that Japan offers, there is nothing of the beauty of traditional Japanese culture.
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soldierjane

Quote from: Hypatia on January 22, 2009, 12:49:05 AM
I had never heard of futanari until it was brought up here just now. And urghghgh... I'm sorry I looked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari
I feel like dropping the subject of Japan now.

You know, I always thought bukkake was worse.. or gokkun. omg! instant mind corruption! I'M SORRY :P
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cindybc

Cheeeeeeez I do certainly pray that little kids ain't watching this crap, that would be bringing debauchery to the nth degree.

People should be hung by the small of their crotch showing this crap.

Cindy
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