And later, why women can't command.

As soon as they can explain why Carter got to be Sargent, but it seem to me that they never got beyond those ranks either.  But James Bond was Commander at the beginning, middle, and end, so perhaps rank is not everything.

Quote from: tekla on December 14, 2008, 10:28:21 PM
And later, why women can't command.

Although in that case, I think the military also invoked the specter of PMS.

The Military (in capitol letters) will do anything to resist change, largely because their way wins more often then not, so change is not working for them.  But a bad case example/study at any rate.

Well if it works why change it?
There is a speech by house(Hugh Laurie) about this thing(Change) in the first season ill try to find it
-I cant find it, but its in episode 17 season 1 episode name: Role Model

THis doesnt mean I agree with the military

join the navy and you may have better luck trying to be feminine and you wont get shot at. 

Quote from: Kelsey on December 15, 2008, 06:03:10 AM
Well if it works why change it?
There is a speech by house(Hugh Laurie) about this thing(Change) in the first season ill try to find it
-I cant find it, but its in episode 17 season 1 episode name: Role Model

THis doesnt mean I agree with the military

A lot of things seem to "work" without them being right. Armies also "worked" before racial integration or the ban on women in the military.

Banning gays and lesbians from the military because it seems to "work" fine is entrenching old-school views just for the sake of not rocking the boat.

Quote from: Mazarine_Sky on December 11, 2008, 12:32:33 PM
Whoa. That sucks...
I think something with computer technology would be alright, wouldn't it? That's what I want to do when I get out of the military, so...

Air Force boot camp is easy compared to the other services. Computer everything. Really good tech schools. And they send the officers into the war not the wing wipers. Seriuosly I was Air Force reserve at age 28 the younger guys called me grand pa. I went in to boot camp wieighing 145lbs. Came out at 157. I wasn't trying to pass at that point in my life. just remember you are going to be surrounded by a bunch ofd guys from everry walk of life. The more different yyou are the more negative attention you will get. The AF serves the country has bases all over the world and nice uniforms.

I dont know if you've made your decision yet, but like others before me I'd encourage you to write out your reasons for enlisting and alternatives. I've done a tour on active duty army and while it was not hell it did have its down sides. Homosexuals were not well tolerated, but there were a few I've served with and they kept it lightly under wraps and no one gave a damne about it, while others were living in hell because they made waves. Thats an important concept. Dont make waves and you will likely be alright.

Check out other options such as the coast guard and Air Force. I was Army and stationed on several Air Force bases and let me tell you they were MUCH more lax about exercise standards and they had much much bettter living standards.

In the Army you do what they tell you to as far as excersize goes. You will bulk up a bit in basic training but if you have a thin physique and high metabolism you'll get out in better shape and not bulk up too much. When doing excersize its good to concentrate on your PT test as thats what they obcess over. Run at a good pace, do push ups effectively, and do sit ups effectively. Sit ups are harder on the guys, push ups are harder on the gals. Work on building endurance more than strength. High reps with low weights can actually build up bulk, so focus on resistance training with moderate weights to build endurance without overdoing it on bulk. You can lose some bulk over time, if you watch it. Running is a big deal in the Army, and it does not require large bulk. Ace your run times and you will likely be thinner and still score better than the bulky guys who have no problems on their pushups.

Also, reconsider Infantry. While Infantry is the Queen of battle, they dont tolerate Queens well. It's a rough world. If you have half a brain try and go for something more mental than physical. Smart soldiers are harder to come by, and in the end we are all infantry. The medical field is a good goal, or military intelligence (but you will have to pass a security clearance - dont lie as its a sure 'FAIL'). Supply is also a good all around field, its vital to any mission and you'd be surprised how important and involved it is. My father (retiered Army) once told me that if you make only one friend, make it the supply sergeant.

Hope this helps.

Just an update.

He's joining the Army and shipping in about a month.

He's decided he'll tough it out and do his service.

I just had a friend of mine who I was borderline being her girlfriend ship out on tuesday.

I don't care what your opinions on the military/war in Iraq are, you better wish this dude a fun time and a safe term in the US Army.  Cuz, he's got more guts than most of you can work up and he loves his country enough to sacrifice some of his life and put his gender issues on hold to serve.

Mazarine Skye, good luck, I'm cheering for you.

Well what do you think we are women, as women we should be looking for ways to stop wars and bring our men and women home. Annwyn.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on January 09, 2009, 01:51:34 AM
Well what do you think we are women, as women we should be looking for ways to stop wars and bring our men and women home. Annwyn.

Cindy

Actually it's Toni.

Annwyn was just a handle.

War is necessary to keep the peace.

May God bless Mazarine_Sky, I am saying this in a positive caring way, come back home safely.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on January 09, 2009, 02:05:31 AM
May God bless Mazarine_Sky, I am saying this in a positive caring way, come back home safely.

Cindy

x2

Quote from: Toni Bridges on January 09, 2009, 01:46:36 AMI don't care what your opinions on the military/war in Iraq are, you better wish this dude a fun time and a safe term in the US Army.

I do wish him well and good luck!

Quote from: Toni Bridges on January 09, 2009, 01:46:36 AMCuz, he's got more guts than most of you can work up...

I'm a veteran. Please dont determine my level of courage or lack therof until you've been shot at, mortared, threatened with bodily harm and death, and all the fun $#!^ I've been through in the past. Honestly.

I've also taken care of veterans, current wars and past. I have the upmost respect for the military and their mission.

I wish the serviceman safety and wellbeing. Good luck soldier.

I joined the Air Force hoping it would make me more of a man and get rid of the feeling of being a woman in a mans body. I wold dress under my male clothes before I joined. After I joined that five Year enlistment was five years of hell for me. If you join the military you have to be real real careful. It only takes one to assume. I found that every one I came across in the AF or other branchs ( I worked closely with other branchs, Navy, Army and Marines) felt like they had to manly and was always trying to out do the other. I never went to the gym while I was in, Everyone goes to the gym. I was made fun of a few times because I was not muscle bound. If you join be careful.

Quote from: Mazarine_Sky on December 11, 2008, 12:16:32 PM
I know I didn't seem very serious when I gave those reasons, it's because they were just mainly jokes.
The reasons I do want to join-
- Become disciplined
- Money for college
- Do something for my country
- Get in great shape
- Use the skills I learned to use at a later date, like leadership, or if there is in fact a revolution, I'd be of some use.

Reasons I don't want to join-
- I might die
- I am against the war
- If I die, my parents and friends will be hurt beyond comprehension

Perhaps I'll try to join something besides Infantry? That way, my friends and family won't have to worry.

Ok, I'm going to be honest here from a ex-military standpoint.  Here are the best areas to not completely "lose it" while you are in:

1. Navy - go for a surface ship, not subs.  If you can get on a carrier, you are golden - those are "mini-cities" of 6500 people
2. Air Force - easier to not get tripped up on the physical fitness requirements.
3. Coast Guard - combine #1 and #2 together for a decent package.  Trouble is that they are a lot tighter on recruitment usually.

I did some CDing when I was in, and the department I was in actually was tolerant, but you have to be careful there.

Laura

The notion that the right love the troops and left does not is pretty much bull->-bleeped-<-.  I have family in the military, and old students of mine - that we would rather have them at home, rather that in a war that a bunch of draft dodgers dreamed up for the sake of the bottom line of the businesses they own, is not unAmerican.  Not at all. I love the troops.  Bring them home to their families.  Now.

Update-
I've changed my political beliefs a little. I'm going in as infantry in the Army. Thanks for the support...

Best wishes and good luck