would he be proud of atheists search for the truth and their fearless attitude towards the possible existence of life after death?

my point is that a great piece of art is the one that goes beyond what the artist intended it to be. if there's a god, then atheists surely made his greatest work of art (humanity) go beyond his expectations. even a god has to show some humility once in a while.  whaddya think?

QuoteLet us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is.

You lose your time, your ability to deal with the physical world and define new natural laws, you lose your objectivity. Look at this way if you live your life the best you can then after you are dead find something else you are in the same boat as everyone else because religion is man made and if their is some other power religion will not matter.

QuoteDeep Ecology is rooted in a perception of reality that goes beyond the scientific framework to an intuitive awareness of the oneness of all life, the interdependence of its multiple manifestations and its cycles of change and transformation.

The new dark age.

Read "The age of American Unreason"

Quotebut this solution is the most simple one and it is obvious

It is not so simple since he left out dark matter. Knowing the unknown will take a new way to measure.

There is a God. It's not a 'he'.

This God does admire the courage of atheists and of all who search for their own sincere truths.

To the OP:

Well, considering that it took a serpent in the garden to give people knowledge and understanding of themselves, I'm thinking, for the Judeo Christian conception of god ... not so much.

Mina.

Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=54200.msg336595#msg336595 date=1232773944
To the OP:

Well, considering that it took a serpent in the garden to give people knowledge and understanding of themselves, I'm thinking, for the Judeo Christian conception of god ... not so much.

Mina.

oh yeah.  That guy is a 'HE'. and he don't like dissention.

Quote from: Rebis on January 23, 2009, 11:27:38 PMoh yeah.  That guy is a 'HE'. and he don't like dissention.

Nope. Went and created an entire dimension of torture just to put us in.

Mina.

Obliquely, this topic brings to mind the meme in the religious world that morality can not exist absent of religion -- that one needs religion to be 'moral'.

I keep hoping to find a website that lists non-believers who have committed acts and lived lives exemplary of high moral standards -- I need the examples to counter the religionists who insist that Atheists Can't be Moral.

And, yes, I believe that IF god exists, zie'd admire those atheists who could stand up for their convictions that zie doesn't exist in the face of an overwhelming onslaught from the religionists.

=K

::smiles::

I wrote a scholarship essay once about the fallacy that religion is required for morality.

Carl Sagan was an atheist.  So were a looooong list of other scientists, authors, comedians, etc.. and the son of Ronald Reagan, and Lance Armstrong, to name a few big names.  Full lists are here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists

There's a lot of us.

Re: do you think that if god existed, he'd admire the courage of atheists?

yeah, if he's Christ-like. however, if I were a god, i'd insist on blind worship. i wouldn't want my people to think too much.

And while we're at it, there's Project Steve:

QuoteNCSE's "Project Steve" is a tongue-in-cheek parody of a long-standing creationist tradition of amassing lists of "scientists who doubt evolution" or "scientists who dissent from Darwinism."

Creationists draw up these lists to try to convince the public that evolution is somehow being rejected by scientists, that it is a "theory in crisis." Not everyone realizes that this claim is unfounded. NCSE has been asked numerous times to compile a list of thousands of scientists affirming the validity of the theory of evolution. Although we easily could have done so, we have resisted. We did not wish to mislead the public into thinking that scientific issues are decided by who has the longer list of scientists!

Quote from: Nero on January 24, 2009, 03:28:01 PM
Re: do you think that if god existed, he'd admire the courage of atheists?

yeah, if he's Christ-like. however, if I were a god, i'd insist on blind worship. i wouldn't want my people to think too much.

Love your rapier-like wit, dude!

=K

No, She wouldn't admire atheists for their courage, rather She would appreciate that atheists didn't worship graven images or Perhaps She might appreciate that it is fear of eternal death and damnation that drives most to believe in Her and fearfulness is not an admirable character trait.  I mean in the Christian mythology God/Jesus is worshiped as the destroyer and death bringer of those who won't 'believe' in him.  Grave - Graven..  2.  Fraught with danger or harm:  Jesus returning on the clouds to judge the living and the dead is the epitome of a graven image.

Quote from: Karen on January 24, 2009, 02:57:18 PM
Obliquely, this topic brings to mind the meme in the religious world that morality can not exist absent of religion -- that one needs religion to be 'moral'.

I keep hoping to find a website that lists non-believers who have committed acts and lived lives exemplary of high moral standards -- I need the examples to counter the religionists who insist that Atheists Can't be Moral.

And, yes, I believe that IF god exists, zie'd admire those atheists who could stand up for their convictions that zie doesn't exist in the face of an overwhelming onslaught from the religionists.

=K

here's a brief list:
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_humanist.html

and another:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanists

They include Steve Allen, Jonas Salk, and Kurt Vonnegut

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God is an atheist!

QuoteGod is an atheist!

An Atheist has a belief. That makes it the same category as religion. Agnostic wants proof either way to accept the truth.

Nietzsche, God is dead.   God, Nietzsche is dead. Nietzsche had a witness to what he said. God had no witness to the fact that he said it. Nietzsche is dead that is a witnessed fact.

If you say there is no god, then obviously you would not hear god speak.  For me, however, my consciousness and unconsciousness are all things at all times in all places. Real or not, god is in me. God says "Hi" to you. I was there when it was said.

Quote from: Nero on January 24, 2009, 03:28:01 PM
Re: do you think that if god existed, he'd admire the courage of atheists?

yeah, if he's Christ-like. however, if I were a god, i'd insist on blind worship. i wouldn't want my people to think too much.

heh heh cute.  keep in mind that you aren't 'required' to participate.  all you've got to do is ignore my threads.

QuoteGod says "Hi" to you. I was there when it was said.

Your testimony has not been collaborated.

Quote from: lisagurl on January 25, 2009, 11:35:14 AM

QuoteGod says "Hi" to you. I was there when it was said.

Your testimony has not been collaborated.

would you ask me for collaboration if I said I played solitaire alone all morning?

Quote from: Rebis on January 25, 2009, 12:15:46 PM

Quote from: lisagurl on January 25, 2009, 11:35:14 AM

QuoteGod says "Hi" to you. I was there when it was said.

Your testimony has not been collaborated.

would you ask me for collaboration if I said I played solitaire alone all morning?

If it was important , yes.