From the Texas GOP's 2006 party platform comes this gem.

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5. We believe that traditional marriage is a legal and moral
commitment between a natural man and a natural woman.
We recognize that the family is the foundational unit of a
healthy society and consists of those related by blood,
marriage, or adoption. The family is responsible for its own
welfare, education, moral training, conduct, and property.

No where has marriage ever been defined with the words natural, it's a very recent, very Republican addition.

What constitutes a natural man or woman. How does a intersexed individual, who is not strictly male or female as we generally understand them, get classified. I think it's clear that this modification to the definition of marriage is aimed at transsexuals.

Republicans have won most of the battles over gay marriage through the hatred and bigotry of the average under educated, religiously brainwashed, uninformed citizen. With that base of support assured, the Republican Party appears to believe that it is now ok to start redefining marriage in their favor.

Another interesting tidbit from the Texas Republicans 2006 Party Platform:

QuoteThe family is responsible for its own welfare, education, moral training, conduct, and property.

Polispeak translation: If you or your family need any kind of help don't come looking at your government for help, and you can definitely forget about asking the Republican Party for any either.

The Republicans are not interested in helping you even though they would be required to do so if they were real Christians. Instead they really are this fake ass, lets pretend to be "Christians" to get the rubes vote, for our own personal political power, hypocrite kind.

When are the few remaining die hard Republican supporters gonna take their heads out of their asses and leave a party which has clearly degraded from the party of Abraham Lincoln, the party of fiscal responsibility, the party of smaller government, the party which protects your civil liberties, the party which gives a hand up not a hand out, into the party of let them eat cake, while we ignore the working man, and give ourselves huge automatic yearly pay raises, eat away at your constitutional rights, vote in perks for the rich, and screw everyone else over as hard as we can. When is enough going to be enough!

A black (not the African American kind either) and white world view can not, and does not work in a world that is in reality colored in infinite shades of gray.

It amazes me how people like this get elected, are they that good at brainwashing folks.

Steph

-_- it's times like these I wish the governments would fall into a total and irreversable reform that takes an open mind and allows people to live the way they wish to and not try to control society like this. If Texas adopts this law I will go to England or someother country and get married.. I think that politicians are looking only to improve their own income and not really care for the people they represent. I guarantee this will have the activist groups raising all hell in opposition. It is utterly stupid and impossable to impose such regulations on the "FREE PEOPLE!"

Was the United States now founded on the grounds of Freedom? Does that not intell allowing a person to live the life they WANT? When the government starts to regulate how the people are to live, what's to stop them from passing other more restrictive laws? The government needs to back off the marrage laws as they are are invading ion the people's right to freedom of choice. If I were able to, I'd write an essay to the supreme courts objecting to and clearly pointing out these new legislations are infringing upon the basic foundations that founded and built this nation from the late 1700s.

This makes me think of my time in highschool when they wrote and inforced new unfair policy..... ended up becomeing frineds with the Coach that ran detention......  The government needs to worry more about things like takeing care of the people there supposed to be serving rather than serve themselves and there own selfish needs.......

Why the big deal over marrage.... what about social security.... what about healthcare reform.... what about the homeless, the vetrens, the crime, violence, drugs, guns, this pointless war that needs to end allready .... the fact that the working class is killing themselves trying to keep this country running while the fat cat is out playing....... ugggggggg..... this makes me soooooooo angry..... I'll post again once Ive calmed down some....

They're good at "bread and circuses," Stephanie, just like the Roman dicators were and the voters don't seem to be getting it.

The plank is close enough to how many people feel but with that little half-step further.  Once that half step is accepted, another will take its place.

helen

Quote from: HelenW on July 13, 2006, 09:54:55 PM
They're good at "bread and circuses," Stephanie, just like the Roman dicators were and the voters don't seem to be getting it.

The plank is close enough to how many people feel but with that little half-step further.  Once that half step is accepted, another will take its place.

helen

Very true, smoke and mirrors.

Steph

Quote from: HelenW on July 13, 2006, 09:54:55 PM
They're good at "bread and circuses," Stephanie, just like the Roman dicators were and the voters don't seem to be getting it.

The plank is close enough to how many people feel but with that little half-step further.  Once that half step is accepted, another will take its place.

helen

I completely agree.  The Republicans of today are pandering to the narrow-minded, racist, sexist bigots.  Lincoln would be considered a liberal extreamist.

And the Bread & Circuses statement is also right on the mark.

How do I go and take back my Canadian citizenship...?

Chaunte

We believe that traditional marriage is...

Thing of it is, who cares what they believe? If someone doesnt believe in same-sex marriage (or TSism), then don't marry a gay man or transsexual. But don't try to legislate person religious beliefs into laws to be imposed upon everyone else.

Everyone gets sucked into making this a moral argument, when it should remain a strictly legal issue. Legally, there's no reason why gays and transsexuals can't marry whom they please. If someone argues that such relationships are less than ideal for raising children, then we might as well ban mixed-race marriages, poor couples, and hey, let's just cut to the chase and ban all non-evangelical christians from marrying and raising children in heathen households.

Quote from: Kate on July 14, 2006, 09:06:08 AM
If someone doesnt believe in same-sex marriage (or TSism), then don't marry a gay man or transsexual.

Excuse me?  A man marrying an MTF (post-op) is not in a same sex marriage.  However, they also don't fall into the "natural" definition either.  This is their real target.

Melissa

Quote from: Melissa on July 14, 2006, 10:46:16 AM
Excuse me?  A man marrying an MTF (post-op) is not in a same sex marriage.  However, they also don't fall into the "natural" definition either.  This is their real target.

Sorry, just sloppy typing on my part. I didn't mean to imply that MTF's are "men," but rather that both gays AND TSs seriously irk the evangelists.

Susan,
    I have been using the dictionary quite a bit in the last few years. Read the definitions for male (man) or female (woman) and you find nothing conclusive.
   I'm also a registered Republican and I believe in same sex marriage or I should say that there should be no discrimination on the basis of being human. You like who you like and you are who you are. Why should that bother anyone. I know there are other Republicans on the list and I know of others in the GLBT organizations. We need to ban together and change the Republican party around. I don't vote strictly Rep. I will vote the way I want to. Lately it has been the Liberterian party.
Sheila

 2 years ago I went the rounds at Delphi forums and I upset many a decent folk because I predicted Republican win. It was easy They had no veritable opposition.  I rememmber an interview with  Gore Vidal,  uncle of Al, Gore back in the 70's (in either Penthouse or Playboy), where he was asked if he was a Liberal or a true conservative Democrat or something like that his response went something like this:  "I am neither, I believe there is no difference in between both parties, we have in reality one party system. There is no discernible political ideological difference between them, they have similar jobs, they come from similar families live in same neighborhoods and their children go the same schools intermarry each other"
Since then I have been watching both parties and his (Vidal's) observation was right on. Only at the city level I find differences. Look imagine Condolezza Rice and Colin Powell so close in to the powers that be? such a far cry from the Camelot decribed in "the Best an the Brightest" by David Halberstram. Every body bought the pseudo "Conservative" label from Bush father who was pro abortion when  running against R. Reagan and call Reagan's ideas Voodoo Economics, they are anything but Conservatives. They have some Cult Ideologies that resesmble more Pose-Committatus than anything else. The sad part is they have no opposition except for Baraka Obama. And he is 8 years away from maturity (financial backing from Industry)
  I agree with Sussan that definition is clearly aimed at Transexuals, A very effective manuver of dividing and conquering the Gay Movement from its supporter s and sympathyzers. I believe the move is aimed at flushing out those who will challange the definition to tar and feather them. Sounds like Carl Rove strategic way of thinking to me.
  Hope my comments do not upset any of the decent members of this forum
Love and Light, Sheila18

Quote from: cindianna_jones on July 14, 2006, 05:20:58 AM
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It's a religious thing that they are pressing.  Let the churches handle it.  I don't know why we let the government manage our personal lives like this.
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Cindi

If we let that happen what will those who don't believe in a god do.  I believe that those who are religious and belong to an organized church or religion should be able to determine who and how two people can be married in their club.  But there is no way that their beliefs should be allowed to define how the rest of the world should act or live, just as the government should not be defining who can be married.

Steph

I don't believe there should be any special rights for married people. I believe in equality and that means everyone should have the same rights, whether married or not.
Sheila

Hi Gang:

Yeah...they are perfect, hardworking, honest, loving.....yeah sure...here is a good example of what republicans are to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8gIBFtWk9I&search=Pink%20mr%20president


tinkerbell

I hate it when I can't play these links - It  sucks to be on dial-up, ya ya I know - poor me

Steph

Excellent video!

Hey don't be cursing at the repubs they are people also.

MEAN, EVIL, SELFISH GREEDY PEOPLE!

Thank you Leigh, I needed that.
Sheila

cindianna:
I love it when you are on your soap box, you do a heck of a good job there.
" I'm showing my steel toed boot to the true idiots of our society."  baby this is bumper sticker material. ahhh      I love it.

"I find myself wondering how anyone can be a Republican and face all the discrimination issues that we now enjoy."   I feel the same about Democrats. to me they are  all the same they live in the same nighborhoods, went to the same schools their kids do the same and end up marrying each other ...imagine Maria Schriver marrying Anold Schwarzwhatever ...beyond belief.
    Liberals pretend the Reagan years -in contrast to the Bush years- were a golden idyll of collaboration between  congressional Democrats and a not-so conservative president. When Reagan died in 2004, John Kerry recalled having admired his political skils and liked him personally.      . They are delusional and inept. they forgot the Bork Nomination  procedings and the Iran-Contra hearings at al   
  Cindianna I read this post of yours a few days ago and have let this simmer in my head: "The problem for us is that we are not much of a community.  We don't tend to come out much in public and for the most part, we don't want to be seen  with each other"
  I instinctively agreed with it. I decided to take some time to think it over ... well my head and my instincts agree rotundly.
It seems to me that the next obvious task is to find the answer and solution to this facts

• be a better comunity
• be willing to be seen together
• be out more in public[/i]
  

Perhaps our Administrators can agree and help us with a new category of Forum, what do you think. The first post would be: "Improving our TS comunity" and have it so only us can read it.  No reason why others know our strategies in advance  ...spooky?  ... yeah! 
love, sheila18