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if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?

Started by Natasha, January 29, 2009, 12:24:02 PM

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mina.magpie

Well, it's much more sparsely populated, with huge tracts of wilderness dotted with human cities. Cities yeah - our cities are pretty-much self contained and sustainable, more arcologies than cities really. The wilderness, no longer needed as a resource, instead serves purely as a biosphere regulator and spiritual retreat.

The single biggest priority of this society is education, with massive resources being devoted to research into better teaching methods and materials, creating a society conducive to learning, building libraries, museums and science centers, etc. There is a strong focus on teaching philosophy, ecology, sociology, human psychology and neuroscience from an early age, investing people with a deeper understanding of why and how people, societies and worlds become the way they are, and for them to have a much greater capacity for thinking critically and making their own choices.

With nation states becoming a redundant concept, funding and efforts were gradually diverted away from military activity. Massive resources were freed up to use in other areas of society. Additionally, the massive freeing up of wealth that came about as a result of the worldwide popular takeover of corporate holdings in 2014, has seen research productivity increase by orders of magnitude. With labs no longer working in competitive isolation, knowledge is shared universally and researchers allowed to pool resources and ideas in a cooperative environment based on the Open Source model of the late 20th century. As with software development, this model has proven highly successful in other fields as well.

Most significantly perhaps though was The Event of 2012. All the prophecies had pointed at 21 December being some sort of apocalyptic nexus, and as we'd drawn closer to the date, more and more signs had pointed at these prophecies being correct. December came ... and nothing happened. Despondent, many believers turned away from their religions and embraced compassionate humanist principles based on mutual advantage instead. Of course, we have our die-hards, but they are ever-shrinking minorities being left behind in a different age.

Mina.
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Jeannette

I don't understand the question. Do you mean a fantasy world or an ideal world that can be reality?

Fantasy: Kinda like the Lord of the rings world but with pink sky, blue trees, nice people, so many birds and animals. I will live forever like the elves.

Ideal: A world free from violence, full of cooperation making best use of the available talent & sharing the scientific & technological progress for all peeps, removing illiteracy, ignorance & poverty, making available health, housing and all other basic essentials to all. 



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Lauren5158

Mina:

Well stated!  Thank you for your insight!  I, too, hope and dream of such a world...

(Stepping up onto my soapbox to speak)
As you alluded, when Dec 21, 2012 comes and goes with no change, the "pot-stirrers" (a.k.a. control-freaks) will seek yet another source of fear with which they will attempt to control the masses. 
(Now stepping down to take my place within everyday life)

Thank you, again...

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Sephirah

*smiles* You do realise that all these 2012 obsessed people will have a whole raft of excuses for why nothing happened. My money is on that we're using the wrong calendar. ;)

As for inventing my own perfect world... I wouldn't want that sort of power. :)
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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tekla

I would like a world where people understood, comprehended and almost worshiped the word "Enough."  As in: "That's Enough," or "I have Enough." 

At which point I would love to see the US (its our problem mostly) redesign its infrastructure for walking, bikes and mass transit with a road every few miles or so, at the most.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Natasha

Quote from: Jeannette on January 30, 2009, 05:31:46 AM
I don't understand the question. Do you mean a fantasy world or an ideal world that can be reality?

your answers speak for themselves!

QuoteFantasy: Kinda like the Lord of the rings world but with pink sky, blue trees, nice people, so many birds and animals. I will live forever like the elves.

fantasy

QuoteIdeal: A world free from violence, full of cooperation making best use of the available talent & sharing the scientific & technological progress for all peeps, removing illiteracy, ignorance & poverty, making available health, housing and all other basic essentials to all.

fantasy.  you got it!  ;)
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tekla

removing illiteracy, ignorance & poverty,

But what if I want to be ignorant?  Reading great, swell even, but you can get along without it, plenty of functional illiterates who are ever so happy not reading book one their entire life.  Perhaps they go fishing.  And, ignorance is bliss.  And I'm real sold on that one.  And, many people, often out of the 'best' 'highest' moral and spiritual reasons choose poverty. 

The mistake was to try to make everyone middle class to begin with, let's try not to repeat it.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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mina.magpie

Quote from: tekla on January 30, 2009, 10:10:00 AMBut what if I want to be ignorant?  Reading great, swell even, but you can get along without it, plenty of functional illiterates who are ever so happy not reading book one their entire life.  Perhaps they go fishing.  And, ignorance is bliss.  And I'm real sold on that one.  And, many people, often out of the 'best' 'highest' moral and spiritual reasons choose poverty. 

The mistake was to try to make everyone middle class to begin with, let's try not to repeat it.

Agreed, but it's interesting: My mom spent hours reading to me when I was a child, and before long I got into the stories enough to want to read, and so I taught myself with her help. I've been reading ever since. My brother, by contrast, wasn't all that into stories. He liked to play outside, mess around with dad, etc. But he was given the option, and to an extent he did make use of it.

All I want in the world is for everybody to have the option to be able to choose, whatever choice it might be.

Mina.
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Nero

Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?

There would be no such thing as summer and we'd have snow year round. Anyone who harmed a cat or ate dog meat would be shot on the spot.
I would be king and have a beautiful queen and we'd live happily ever after in our ice palace.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Sephirah

Quote from: Nero on January 30, 2009, 11:36:12 AM
Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?

There would be no such thing as summer and we'd have snow year round. Anyone who harmed a cat or ate dog meat would be shot on the spot.
I would be king and have a beautiful queen and we'd live happily ever after in our ice palace.

Where do I sign up for that world!? I'm sooo there. All year round winter... absolutely! :D
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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Alyssa M.

Quote from: tekla on January 30, 2009, 09:26:37 AM
I would like a world where people understood, comprehended and almost worshiped the word "Enough."  As in: "That's Enough," or "I have Enough." 

At which point I would love to see the US (its our problem mostly) redesign its infrastructure for walking, bikes and mass transit with a road every few miles or so, at the most.

Ich Habe Genug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYa8_6iaqZM#noexternalembed&fmt=18
Words to live by -- it's kind of a personal motto.

As to roads -- see Edward Abbey's polemic against industrial tourism. "THIS HEAR PARK IS FOR PEOPLE!"
http://tinyurl.com/thisherepark
It always makes me smile. :)
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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tinkerbell

My perfect world:


A few things though:  I have to be the Queen or Goddess (take your pick) of that kingdom.  I want wings for myself, for Peter Pan and my kitties...that is all!  And of course you are welcome to visit, but not to stay!   ;D


tink :icon_chick:

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NicholeW.

Quote from: Tink on January 30, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
My perfect world:


A few things though:  I have to be the Queen or Goddess (take your pick) of that kingdom.  I want wings for myself, for Peter Pan and my kitties...that is all!  And of course you are welcome to visit, but not to stay!   ;D


tink :icon_chick:



One of my favorite movies.

I'd come visit, but only contingent on those flying cats being box trained!! :laugh: Otherwise I'd have to stand on the other side and wave to the five of ya!! :)
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RebeccaFog

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Cindy

What's the 2012 reference about?

Perfect World

Empress Cindy. ;D

Lol
Cindy J
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mina.magpie

Quote from: CindyJames on January 31, 2009, 01:58:58 AMWhat's the 2012 reference about?

Prophecies from a number of different cultures point to 2012 being metaphysically significant. Armageddon-end-of-the-world type stuff. History Channel did a nice summary program on the various prophecies and stuff around 2012:

http://www.history.com/content/armageddon/

You can find a summary of the program here:

http://aphroditeastrology.com/2007/05/web-bot-project-and-2012.html

Most notably, the Mayan Calendar, the most accurate humankind has yet invented, comes to an end on 21 december 2012. It's not a final end as such, but does mark the end of an age - the Mayans divided time into ages similar to how Hindus do, and 2012 is the end of the age of the Jaguar.

I've recently read that the classic mayan collapse of the 9th century AD corresponds to another ending on the calendar. Nobody really knows what caused the Maya to disappear, but the most recent theory posits a mega-drought lasting almost 200 years. This also happens to correspond to the medieval warm period, that stretched from 800 to 1300 AD.

What's most likely here is that these ancient calendars were developed over thousands of years and through observation it was found that things happen in regular cycles - warming periods followed by cooling periods, sunspot cycles, precessions and stuff, and gradually people realised they could predict things with reasonable accuracy. So they divided their ages up according to these cycles, and that's why people can say something might happen in 2012. It's just the start of a new cycle - we just don't know what's gonna happen at the culmination of the present one.

The problem with actually interpreting these as proper armageddon kinda things is dangerous, 'cause we are not reading these prophecies in the same context as they were written. For a medieval culture a mega drought or a massive tsunami or whatever might very well have spelled the end of they world, for us it's simply a major disaster, but hopefully manageable.

Mina.
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NicholeW.

One would suppose, Mina, that even if the drought caused the retreat from the cities by the Maya (since they are still a people and the drought didn't kill off the entire group, just maybe had them abandon their cities for a different sorta life in Honduras) it's effects weren't immediate and catastrophic as the armageddonists always seem to favor.

Besides it also seems like if your civilzation is crumbling then perhaps updating the Popol Vuh to reflect time beyond 2012 may not have been a huge priority for them at the time. Then after they'd transferred themselves to a more equable climate then maybe the art of the observers had either been lost or the new landscape didn't lend itself as well to the production of books to keep the relation of the future ongoing.

Christian belief system are rather fond of beginnings and endings, everything nicely enfolded between two points. So the ideas fostered in that milieu would probably lend themselves to abrupt endings: the Armageddonists.

Wonder why they aren't called Megeddoists? :)

Nichole
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Nichole on January 30, 2009, 10:53:07 PM
Quote from: Tink on January 30, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
My perfect world:


A few things though:  I have to be the Queen or Goddess (take your pick) of that kingdom.  I want wings for myself, for Peter Pan and my kitties...that is all!  And of course you are welcome to visit, but not to stay!   ;D


tink :icon_chick:



One of my favorite movies.

I'd come visit, but only contingent on those flying cats being box trained!! :laugh: Otherwise I'd have to stand on the other side and wave to the five of ya!! :)

Actually that would be the six of us.  We have four cats.  Yeah and there was a time when I was thinking of bringing another kitty into the house, but that was just too much, and I desisted! *sigh*  :(  The first thing I am going to do when (because I know I will) I win the lottery is to build a sanctuary for cats!

tink :icon_chick:
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Stealthgrrl

In my perfect world, I would be genetically female. All else the same.
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