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Started by Just Kate, February 07, 2009, 01:45:46 PM

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Just Kate

This has been an increasingly revealing time in my life.  Since the sudden and dramatic return of my cross gender feelings that prompted my newfound questioning, I've explored more deeply the roots behind my issues.  Fortunately, I haven't had to do this totally alone, always having my loving and supportive wife by my side - a blessing I cannot be more thankful for.

A little background.  When I lived as a female, I didn't do much to endorse my femininity, instead, I dressed very casually, rarely wore makeup, and normally just threw my hair up in a high ponytail or a clip.  While this might have been one of the reasons I passed so well (I didn't go all super-feminine crazy and so appeared much more natural), that wasn't my goal.  I felt like being me and that didn't involve having to go to all that trouble.  Honestly this is something that confused my transsexual friends.

But that's not all really.  As I've mentioned before in this journal, I didn't feel right when I passed 100%.  When I was totally accepted as a female (the pinnacle goal of most MTF transsexuals) I found it difficult to deal with it.  I felt like I was being deceitful and lying all over again.  It seemed that if living on the male end of the gender pendulum caused me discomfort feeling like I wasn't truly expressing the whole of myself, I started to get the inkling that swinging all the way over to the other side of the pendulum might cause the same problem.

To alleviate these feelings of disingenuous perception, I found myself actually telling people who were totally convinced I was a girl, that I wasn't always so.  In a way, it made me feel a lot better - much in the same way as when I came out to others when I was male that I didn't feel like one.  This of course is not commonplace behavior for a transsexual.  I'm not saying that no transsexual does this, but based on my experiences with those that I knew, they thought I was half crazy.  I mean, I can see their point; for one thing what I was doing was dangerous.  Some transsexuals have to live with the fact they will never totally be accepted and deal with all the social stigmas and danger that come with that, so for someone who passed to actually expose themselves was something of a taboo.

This of course should have been a clue that maybe I wasn't as set on being 100% girl as I thought I was, but I was so caught up with the fact that I needed to adhere to a rigid two gender system it didn't allow for much wiggle room.  I would either be a boy or a girl, and since being a boy wasn't working out because I couldn't be myself, being a girl was the best choice, but I couldn't fight the fact that at times, I would wonder if I wasn't making the same mistake I made as a male (even if I couldn't explain why).

When I went back to living as a male (for strongly religious reasons coupled with the doubt I expressed above), I went back fully to the male spectrum, but realized that I couldn't live the way I had before.  Ultimately I was changed anyhow; I had experience life changing events and could never go back to the way I had been before - not fully anyhow, but I made every attempt to be as male as I could.  For one reason I felt guilt for the pain I had caused my parents and friends and that if I returned to their lives and didn't become the person they once knew as closely as possible, then I would somehow hurt them more.  My reasons seemed good at the time, but they set me up for later failure.

I did maintain some sense of my former identity, but it was relegated to joking about my past and turning it into a big funny thing that happened - the way that you might laugh at a friend who at one time was involved in a monstrous prank.  Still, it was better than nothing, better than making them (and myself) face the reality that it wasn't a joke, nothing had changed - I still felt the same way - I just was feeling that way back in a male role.

Over the years I've felt this male role grate on me more and more, but I've had strength to just deal with it and push it off - escape into some game or some other addiction that prevented me from facing it.  However even I knew that couldn't last forever and so recently decided to face it before it consumes me as it once did.  I needed to find exactly what it was I really wanted - what I needed to feel like myself and to be happy.

I feel I've finally begun to explore the path that would lead to it.  I won't go into all of the decision making processes that led to this, suffice it to say, it seems to me to be the right path.

Androgyny.
2.    having both masculine and feminine characteristics.
3.    having an ambiguous sexual identity.
4.    neither clearly masculine nor clearly feminine in appearance

It seems this is what I really wanted all along.  I don't want to be all male or all female but both and yet neither at the same time.  Ultimately I want to be free of the stigmas of both the gender stereotypes.  I want my female friends to not automatically exclude me from their traditionally female conversations, and I don't want my male friends to automatically assume I'm a freak for the interests I have.  I want to be able to appreciate a nice looking guy just as I would a nice looking girl.  I want to be able to wear my clothes however I choose, my hair long or short, etc.  Of course, all of these 'wants' don't necessary mean I'll be a popular member of society, but I'm willing to accept it.  I've done far more difficult things that society hasn't appreciated.

The more prudent might ask me, sure you want these things, but what about your career?  Won't this adversely affect it?  I figure it would, but then again, work could be like an 8 hour acting job I go to, a place I pretend to be what I need to be to get ahead, but once I get off work, the hair will come down, the stiff clothes will come off, and the masculine facade shed.  I figure I can deal with this so long as I don't take the actor home with me.

So to put a point on this, I'm gonna throw up the proverbial middle finger at convention and be as androgynous as I choose to be.  If I feel like being more male one day I will, but then if I feel differently the next day, so be it.  I'm not intending to throw it in anyone's face, I just want to be real and express and be appreciated for all aspects of myself - aspects I feel are valid, genuine and hold in them no malice or guile.

Does anyone here relate to my situation?  Despite having identified as a MTF TS for so many years, I'm beginning to think I might better fit in the gender-queer/androgyne crowd.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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Nero

Hi Interalia.
Yes, we have a few mtf-turned androgynes here.
Welcome to the forest!
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Pica Pica

Well, welcome to the crowd. Many of us have spent some time seriously considering the gender swap path, some even had the real life thingummywhatsit. If this is where you feel you belong then indeed it is.

Now, you don't have any money do you? I'm skint.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Eva Marie

What you have described sounds familiar. I know we have some peeps here who have been thru similar circumstances and will be along shortly to offer advise.

Welcome to the jungl..... err...... forest  :D, and we hope you brought some food for everyone.
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Flan

Quote from: interalia on February 07, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
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Does anyone here relate to my situation?  Despite having identified as a MTF TS for so many years, I'm beginning to think I might better fit in the gender-queer/androgyne crowd.
* Flan waves
(danger, personal thoughts ahead)
When I thought I was MtF, it felt (in retrospect) more like trying to "play the part" then allowing the full expression of my inner self, which was both/neither gender.
I still plan on surgery to be at better terms with my preference of physical expression, but I think of that as just one of the aspects of who I am. (the accumulation of mind, body, and spirit)
Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur. Happy kitty, sleepy kitty, purr, purr, purr.
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Pica Pica

Quote from: Flan on February 07, 2009, 06:35:24 PM
When I thought I was MtF, it felt (in retrospect) more like trying to "play the part" then allowing the full expression of my inner self,

me too.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Shana A

It felt as though I was exchanging one restrictive box (M) for another box (F)... perhaps less restrictive, but still not quite who I was/am.

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Just Kate

Quote from: Zythyra on February 07, 2009, 06:45:17 PM
It felt as though I was exchanging one restrictive box (M) for another box (F)... perhaps less restrictive, but still not quite who I was/am.

Z

Wow, that is so eloquent in its simplicity and describes exactly what I learned once I started living as a girl.

I get the feeling though I'll never be free from a "box" anyhow.  Androgyny is hard to achieve.

Post Merge: February 07, 2009, 07:04:35 PM

Quote from: Flan on February 07, 2009, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: interalia on February 07, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
<snip>
Does anyone here relate to my situation?  Despite having identified as a MTF TS for so many years, I'm beginning to think I might better fit in the gender-queer/androgyne crowd.
* Flan waves
(danger, personal thoughts ahead)
When I thought I was MtF, it felt (in retrospect) more like trying to "play the part" then allowing the full expression of my inner self, which was both/neither gender.
I still plan on surgery to be at better terms with my preference of physical expression, but I think of that as just one of the aspects of who I am. (the accumulation of mind, body, and spirit)

When I was younger and transitioning I was so in need of validation/acceptance that I pretty much did whatever a TS was "supposed" to do, and thought how a TS was "supposed" to think, etc.  Ultimately that meant being the kind of girl everyone expected me to be:  "True TS" and all that jazz.

So I identify with your comment about "playing the part".  Now I'm older and a lot less needy of that kind of reinforcement - hence no more transition.  However I am still looking for a balance.  I HATE being judged as male unjustly. ;)
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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ZaidaZadkiel

I was like "I'm a guy who wants to be a girl"
Then I went to live in the streets, and people was like "you're a thing, here's a coin".
So I no longer feel the need to be either a girl or a boy. I just am a thing. And I do my thing. :D
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Jaimey

Glad you made it over!  :D 
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Kinkly

I can relate to a lot of what you said even though i didn't need to try the girl path to know that it wouldn't be any better then the boy path.....I think
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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