my height. i'm not even as tall as the average woman, let alone the average male. i feel like if i transitioned no one would take me seriously. granted, there are not-so-tall genetic guys, but that doesn't put me much at ease.
in my mind, i'd rather be dead than have to present as female.
however, i'm just... well, small. i've seen FTM's at 5'6" complain about being short, and i'm like geez, try being barely five feet.
i'm still fairly young, but it has been verified that i will grow no more, much to my absolute dismay.
i've heard T helps height in some cases, if you start at a younger age?

opinions? thoughts? anything?

thank you.

depends if the bones are already closed.
anyway, after T, you'll pass and just be seen as a short man.

I don't know what to tell you about your height.  I've never been small so I don't feel I can speak to your situation, but there are TONS of FTMs that are downright tiny and do pass.  My personal opinion is that they are more detectable, more suspect, or at least more inclined to attract attention.

People might just think you're a really young boy for quite a while... could still pass though!

Height is a problem, I'm about 5" 4' I think, pretty short... but I know guys that height, it happens.

go check out jacob on youtube.  idr his username... possibly jacoblotcky, but hes tiny too and passes just fine. 

Quote from: Josh on February 16, 2009, 06:25:30 PM
go check out jacob on youtube.  idr his username... possibly jacoblotcky, but hes tiny too and passes just fine. 

There's a huge difference between passing while solo in front of a webcam and passing in the company of men.  If a group of average sized men stood around Jacob, it'd be downright silly.

thank you all.





and josh, i just went and looked him up.
so i guess i'm not completely hopeless now, thank you.


but mister does have a valid point.
i guess just being short sucks, nothing that can be done, haha.

so men with dwarfism arent real men when compared to average sized men?

I'm short too, but I'd rather be an "imperfect" man than a "perfect" woman

Quote from: Josh on February 16, 2009, 07:12:57 PM
so men with dwarfism arent real men when compared to average sized men?

really? did i say anything about anyone being real or not?  no, i didn't.

this photo is an exaggerated view of what i'm talking about.

Quote from: Mister on February 16, 2009, 07:22:43 PM
really? did i say anything about anyone being real or not?  no, i didn't.

this photo is an exaggerated view of what i'm talking about.

sure it looks amusing, but you wouldn't look at the short guy and think "that must be a woman"

Quote from: Mister on February 16, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
If a group of average sized men stood around Jacob, it'd be downright silly.

When I think of how I must look amongst them, I (if I let myself) feel downright silly every time I'm in the company of average-sized men.  But when I remember how they looked at me when I was fully female-looking, I feel downright disgusted.  Definitely a case of 'pick yer poison.'

Quotesure it looks amusing, but you wouldn't look at the short guy and think "that must be a woman"

'cause i said that too, right?  oh, wait...   no again.

After you take testosterone for a while, there'll be no question to the world at large that you're a man. However short you may be, you'll still be looked at as a guy - you'll be in the boys' club, so to speak. I don't think this'll cause any guys worth being friends with to reject you.

If you don't mind me asking, are you gay, straight, or bi? The shortness might actually help your case if you like guys - a significant subset of the gay population is totally into small, boyish guys.

I go to school with a dude who is probably about 5'1" and he is 22.  All through high school he played soccer and was homecoming King and all that stuff. So i really don't think anyone looked at him any differently.  I liked what Jeatyn said,

Quote from: Jeatyn on February 16, 2009, 07:17:35 PM
I'm short too, but I'd rather be an "imperfect" man than a "perfect" woman

Just think everything through man.  If you are able to get with a gender therapist soon, it could be extremely helpful to you. Good luck with everything

Jet

So what exactly is your point mister? other than short guys look stupid =/

the sarcasm isn't helping

jesus, i never said that short guys look stupid, either.

My point is that passing is subjective.  One may pass at home on one's couch, but not at all when compared of the same sex.  Height and stature in general doesn't help.  Small hands, small feet, short, thin limbs.  Sorry, but when/if people question you that's what they look for. 

In one of those Ultimate Survival Guide to Life books, there's a whole list of things to look for to ascertain the gender of your date.  Comical, but accurate. 

On a personal note, if I didn't feel I could pass well and assimilate into the male population, I wouldn't have transitioned.

Quote from: Mister on February 16, 2009, 08:29:40 PM
jesus, i never said that short guys look stupid, either.

My point is that passing is subjective.  One may pass at home on one's couch, but not at all when compared of the same sex.  Height and stature in general doesn't help.  Small hands, small feet, short, thin limbs.  Sorry, but when/if people question you that's what they look for. 

In one of those Ultimate Survival Guide to Life books, there's a whole list of things to look for to ascertain the gender of your date.  Comical, but accurate. 

On a personal note, if I didn't feel I could pass well and assimilate into the male population, I wouldn't have transitioned.

the actual phrase was "downright silly"  - seems the same to me

either I'm just not getting it or you're contradicting yourself

there are plenty of bio-guys that are short or have small hands and feet or whatever, and you did say that makes them no less "real" than guys of average height

yet then you also say it's gonna be impossible for certain people to pass if they possess those traits? (well maybe not totally impossible but a lot harder)

Lets say you were one of the tiny guys - you wouldn't have transitioned because you wouldn't have fit in with the average male population?

Quote from: Jeatyn on February 16, 2009, 08:38:15 PM

the actual phrase was "downright silly"  - seems the same to me

either I'm just not getting it or you're contradicting yourself

there are plenty of bio-guys that are short or have small hands and feet or whatever, and you did say that makes them no less "real" than guys of average height

yet then you also say it's gonna be impossible for certain people to pass if they possess those traits? (well maybe not totally impossible but a lot harder)

Lets say you were one of the tiny guys - you wouldn't have transitioned because you wouldn't have fit in with the average male population?

i never said anything about anyone being 'real' so take it out of quotes.

I never said that it was impossible to pass.  Passing is subjective.  The key to passing is assimilation and being short doesn't allow you to assimilate as someone who is tall. 

I'm not one of the tiny guys so the hypothetical is pointless.  I can give no statement to that affect, just like a tiny guy could not state his reality if he were in my five foot ten inch frame.

I'm about 5"4' myself. or 5"5' by last few times measured.  I'm short for a guy, I have a genetic male friend who is shorter than me.  Admit that we are both stocky helps some in the image, but I've seen small guys as well.  I'd rather be a small guy than a normal woman.  But it's really up to how each person feels about themselves.  Think about it, talk it through to your therapist.