it so pisses me off some trans people think they are better than you just because they pass all the time or are stealth god and they only say negative things
u dont freaking say i dont care when someone comes into a chat room and says they are suicidal u just dont do that   UGH then people make excuses for that person -oh they had a rough time- i dont give a crap it doesnt give u the right to act like a freaking ->-bleeped-<- *end rant*

i'm sorry you were treated that way, emoboi. 

i wasnt the person who was suicidal it was someone else
but i know this person is not very nice and quite rude

That also happens with cis people, but I hear ya man, it also sucks to know that the people
who can relate most to our difference (yeah the trans people, and not all, but enough), wouldn't
want to be seen with some of us in public cuz we don't pass as well, or not all the time.

I can understand thier reasons (how they worked so hard to be stealth an what not) and good for
them, but they'll only get the cold shoulder from me when they're down and out.
I bet you can guess which finger of mine goes up for them 

lol

Quote from: emoboi on March 01, 2009, 03:25:26 PM
it so pisses me off some trans people think they are better than you just because they pass all the time or are stealth god and they only say negative things
u dont freaking say i dont care when someone comes into a chat room and says they are suicidal u just dont do that   UGH then people make excuses for that person -oh they had a rough time- i dont give a crap it doesnt give u the right to act like a freaking ->-bleeped-<- *end rant*

Tell me about it, my friend

Just reading some of the stuff posted on this forum gave me the shock of my life when I arrived.

Face it, some people are seriously f*****d up whatever their sexuality or gender.

Don't let it get you, they ain't worth it.

Agreed.

A few times on the internet there have been cases where someone (on a blog or something) has talked seriously about killing themselves, and people have actually encouraged them to do it, and they have. That's so disturbing, that people can encourage others who clearly need a shoulder and warm hug instead of a push, I don't understand how people can be that sick. I can't think of any situation where that could be justified, and coming from a trans person to another trans person is even worse. They have a right to be proud of what they have achieved, but that is still no excuse for encouraging/being dismissive of suicide. I hope both you and the person concerned are alright.

*HUGS*

William

it is the nature of the world. Just cause you belong to a subculture that faces some difficulty getting accepted, doesn't mean you are an open minded, or accepting, person.
Every subculture has it's a-holes.

To play devils advocate for a moment... it maybe isn't quite so black and white. And might not be a case of one person thinking they're better than someone else.

This is the key thing:

Quote from: William on March 02, 2009, 05:04:17 AM
A few times on the internet there have been cases where someone (on a blog or something) has talked seriously about killing themselves...

Knowing the difference between that and someone who uses the powerful emotional trigger of suicide (sometimes repeatedly) as a means purely to garner attention and the spotlight for a while (a failsafe "people are guaranteed to notice me if I do this" kind of thing), or perhaps because they're bored and want something to occupy themselves, or even as a form of emotional blackmail in order to manipulate others (a means to an end)... all with absolutely no feelings or intention of such actually going on. There are people with seemingly no qualms about doing such things (even here), and playing on people's sympathies, in my view, can be almost, if not just as unscrupulous as a cold, unfeeling, tactless response to those in genuine need of help and support.

I think that sometimes, to some people, this can have an effect similar to "The Person Who Cried Wolf", and that is very unfortunate. It doesn't take a whole lot to make someone rather cynical and jaded.

The trouble with this medium is there is often very little background information on which to base this differentiation, to gauge the difference between an actual cry for help and purely attention seeking, or manipulative behaviour.

So, that being said, it is perhaps better to err on the side of every case being genuine and heartfelt, if or until proven otherwise, and the respondant in question should perhaps have showed a bit more compassion and understanding.

However, while not necessarily justification, such actions can possibly be understood to an extent. If someone has been subject to constant "If you don't do this I'll kill myself!" or "You weren't nice to me, I'm going to kill myself!" from someone close to them... the heart can become hardened, and expression of suicidal feelings from anywhere may be met with a sort of defense mechanism formed from a person's own experiences, and the attitude of "they're just trying to manipulate me again, after all, that's what happened the last time" may kick in.

Therefore, I wouldn't dismiss the response out of hand as 'sick' or whatever, since I don't know the person's own mental processes and what formed the basis for that reaction, just as I don't know what mental processes were occurring in the person feeling suicidal.

Like I said, it may not be purely black and white.

Just my thoughts.

Good point. I agree with what you say, though I admit I was taking the situation at face value. But yes, while not justifiable, the hardness and calousness could be understood (but would nevertheless still be unfortunate) if such were the case.



Will