Pray so Christians will not be silenced. Your free speech rights as believers are being targeted.

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Quote  I have the privilege of praying in the State House building (equivalent to the State Capitol) once a month. In addition to praying for souls, we pray over many bills that are being brought before the state legislature. Currently the gay activists have at least eight bills they are trying to push through, including one that would make it a hate crime to publically speak or write against transgender and gay people, even in churches. Some of the gay activists here have been laboring hard in San Francisco.

    It is my understanding that there is a resolution being considered in the United Nations that would completely silence Christians from sharing the gospel outside of their own country. If this passes and one is found guilty of it, the punishment could be death. The ACLJ is working on this--please pray for them.

    We are living in very serious days. It would be tragic for many Christians to suddenly "wake up" and find their civil rights completely eliminated. Currently they are being eroded away. In Massachusetts parents do not have the right to remove their children from sex education classes which include gay, lesbian and transgender tolerance instruction. Please join me in praying for your state, our nation, and the United Nations resolution.  And let's petition the Lord to wake-up His people and motivate them to pray.

It is my understanding that there is a resolution being considered...

Of course being some home schooled lazy ass you haven't bothered to find it out for yourself have you?  Of course such a law would also stop Islam from preaching outside its borders too.  Not a bad deal.

Ummm, small matter of enforcement? The UN even if the resolution is passed is gonna send troops and police to enforce such a thing, anywhere? hahahahahahahaha

And yes, "someone told me" the tip-off that something incomprehensibly stupid and untrue is about to follow!! LOL!!

Nichole

Yes, but will it get and keep the Mormons off my doorstep, the Jehovah's Witnesses away from my bus stops, and every other religious fool out of my life?  Now, that's something I could support.  Religion, like sex, ought to be something that people do in shame behind closed doors.

In Iceland (and many other Europian countries) our "free speech" does not extend to libel, hate-mongering, advocating violations of the rights of others, and stuff like that. We had a pastor arrested for preaching that "the gays" should be barred from society and that society would be better off if "the gays" were all dead.
From my perspective, this is not "less" freedom, but "more" freedom.

Ahh yes, fewer choices makes you more free.  Got it.  Matter of fact, we just had 8 years of that kind of thinking.

Don't put words in my mouth would you?

Well I sure don't see where fewer choices somehow more freedom.  And what I do see as happening, frequently, is the laws are often turned against those they were intended to protect, so that when the early feminists in the late 60s/early70s spoke out against pornography one of the first things that got banned in a lot of places was the book Our Bodies, Ourselves, a feminist health manual - on the ground that it talked about female sexuality, and hence, was pornographic.

This is the way the law's been here for a rather long time. It's been effective in protecting people and making it illegal to (for instance) stage a protest with "god hate gays" banners at anyone's funeral.

This isn't about removing choices for the few, arrogant, self-rightious people, who love to spread hate, it's about protecting people. You are not allowed to stand in the street and tell people to go out and kill people, discriminate against people, or violate people's rights because of their sexuality, gender, etc. etc. etc..

It seems rather like common sense to us over here that you "can not" publicly condemn people for being "different".

On the other hand, Iceland has one of the most heterogeneous populations in the world, and you are not dealing with the kinds of differences that have been present in the States since oh, 1620 or so.  I can take a short bus ride and on that bus hear at least 7 different languages spoken.  There is no national language, no national culture, none of that stuff, so those 'freedoms' like freedom of speech and freedom of worship are critical to protect minorities.  And hey, I kinda like the "God Hates ->-bleeped-<-s" folks, they sure make it a easier to disparage religion - like they are doing my work for me.  And, should such a law come about (and I doubt it) I'm sure that rather than protecting people from strange religious thoughts, the first victims of it would be those who oppose religion who would be stopped from airing their thoughts on the matter.

Depends on how the law is constructed.
In Iceland, I am perfectly allowed to disagree with christianity in public, as long as I don't use personal attacks against the whole religion. I can talk about the flaws of christianity, but not go "All christians are paedophiles and ->-bleeped-<-s and should be shot!"..

Honestly, I don't see the problem with letting people say dumb things in public.  It makes it that much easier to mock them.  Homophobia cannot be defeated by legislation; with it out in the open, we can at least address it directly.  The idea of outlawing *ideas* seems very mediaeval-Church to me, although you Europeans seem much more comfortable with it.  And while one can say, "but the Holocaust really DID happen, we have witnesses and records and documentation", Church leaders in previous times could have asserted the same about their faith; in that culture, it would seem just as ridiculous to say that Jesus wasn't the son of god, or worse, that there was no god.  Of course, Holocaust denial's ridiculous, and thoroughly refuted.

As far as anti-homosexual parents not being allowed to remove their children from parts of the corriculum that discuss homosexuality in a negative manner, I think that this is in line with US precedent:  We allow people to hold racist views, but they aren't allowed to prevent their children from being educated about racial diversity.

As to those who make it their mission to evangelise, I cannot help but love them a little for their effort.  Annoying as it may be, it's a step up from "improving" the world with violence.

Quote from: tekla on March 05, 2009, 09:30:32 PM
It is my understanding that there is a resolution being considered...

Of course being some home schooled lazy ass you haven't bothered to find it out for yourself have you?  Of course such a law would also stop Islam from preaching outside its borders too.  Not a bad deal.

Islam has borders?

Miniar kudos on electing the worlds first openly gay premier

As for the free speech issue in America, it seems to me anyway the emphasis is more on the right of anyone to say anything so as not to be *oppressed* whereas in Europe the words and context are more important, you can feel what you want but if you encourage hatred of other citizens and incite others to react like you you are acting beyond the law. The difference is in the US people seem to think that silencing the words is the same as discriminating against the person but in Europe they're viewed as 2 seperate issues.
Personally I prefer the European modal but obviously I'm biased.

Claire xoxo

SOCIALISM and COMMUNISIM at it's birth here in America. The U.N is a great part of America too, we started The SORRY ASS United Nations are determined to allow the destruction of democracy in any nation who desires to have it has it already.
It is written, One World Order. And the United States Of S/C is now on that path, thanks to the election of MR.CMMO-OBAMA..

Quote from: samantha1976ts on March 06, 2009, 12:19:16 PM
SOCIALISM and COMMUNISIM at it's birth here in America. The U.N is a great part of America too, we started The SORRY ASS United Nations are determined to allow the destruction of democracy in any nation who desires to have it has it already.
It is written, One World Order. And the United States Of S/C is now on that path, thanks to the election of MR.CMMO-OBAMA..

Eh?

Some of us find little wrong with Socialism or Communism for that matter. I grew up and spent my youth in and around the Italian Communist Party and various other parties of the left and I'm proud of my past.

As a transgendered person and as a Muslim I would rather take my chances with them any day than with the maniacs on the right.

Quote from: samantha1976ts on March 06, 2009, 12:19:16 PM
SOCIALISM and COMMUNISIM at it's birth here in America. The U.N is a great part of America too, we started The SORRY ASS United Nations are determined to allow the destruction of democracy in any nation who desires to have it has it already.
It is written, One World Order. And the United States Of S/C is now on that path, thanks to the election of MR.CMMO-OBAMA..

er.. what? where? how?
I live in a country with general healthcare, good unemployments and social support, and so on, and we are not socialist nor communist. You can be a democracy and still treat the lowest members of society like human beings.

Like I said before there is a very definite US/Europe divide on this topic (imaz I'm assuming you're italian)

Don't know why it divides this way all the time (social/society/history differences probably) but I do want to say condenming others for there beliefs is exactly what this topic was started in opposition to so please don't become like the people you *hate* so much
This message is for everyone.

Claire xoxo

Quote from: Claire on March 06, 2009, 12:44:13 PM
Like I said before there is a very definite US/Europe divide on this topic (imaz I'm assuming you're italian)

Don't know why it divides this way all the time (social/society/history differences probably) but I do want to say condenming others for there beliefs is exactly what this topic was started in opposition to so please don't become like the people you *hate* so much
This message is for everyone.

Claire xoxo

Hi Claire,

Who are these people I'm supposed to "hate" so much? (genuine, sincere question )

oh yeah sorry i meant to explain but got sidetracked

I simply meant the language used in reference to socialism/communism/UN sounded to me like the language used in the original post quote from CMM News and Prayers and that intolerence to me all is the same people are entitled to their views and to express them to a certain degree and maybe I'm wrong but the tone of some posts are a bit too confrontational to support any kind of mature reasoned debate/discussion on the topic.
Hope that cleared up my thought process, damn guitar won't stop tempting me to play it in the middle of a post lol

Claire xoxo