http://transwoman.tripod.com/quiz.htm

The above link is a spin-off from the thread about "It's Dangerous To Transition."  I thought it would best be done as a separate topic.

I am curious as to what you think of this quiz.  I scored 160, but realized I could have and still not pass.  What does it help you understand?  What do you see wrong with it?   

Kristi

I scored an even 100! That sounds about right, I probably pass to some but I need to temper it with reality. That's me, a perfect 100,  woo hoo! Beat that! Meghan

I scored 108, but I 'blend in' 99% of the time.  I do get clocked occasionally, but I live 100% of the time.  The test seems in error somehow.

I think that it could lead some new people to the wrong conclusion.

Janet

Thanks, Meghan!  I can't believe no one wants to take this test.  Really, I think it was intended for fun, but maybe there is some validity to it.

Kristi

Darn it...

i forgot my score... but it's of little consequence. Meghan proved it's a sloppy, unreliable test anyway.


P.S. I want to be the trans girl on the top row, fourth column. <3

Ugh, tests that make me track my own answers and do math seem so tedious .

But I did it anyway.  I got 124, which is slightly annoying since 125 is the start of the next tier... but its all arbitrary anyway!  Oh, and since I'm mostly pre-everything I basically filled it out how I think things will turn out (aka hormones for 2 years before going full time, passable female voice (I think I'm starting to figure out how to *start* doing that heh)).

I've basically come to the conclusion that there are basically 2 things that prevent me from passing at the moment, which are face and voice... and of course the most expensive/hardest to change.

Well, Laci, I will lend you a calculator if you need one.  Anything for the bunny we all love.

Kristi

Was reading other pages on that site and came across this:

"On average, when compared with genetic women, transsexual women:

    *    Have a similar degree and frequency of sexual desire. "

And of course I'm thinking, how exactly do they know how frequent that is?  Is there a characteristic difference between 'normal' males and females in this regard?  Or is that statement as vague and ambiguous as it seems at first glance?

Quote from: Kristi on April 26, 2009, 09:27:05 PM
Well, Laci, I will lend you a calculator if you need one.  Anything for the bunny we all love.

Kristi

Awww! 

I got a 121...been on hormones for a little over 3 weeks now, just E no AAs.  When I put the effort in (since I'm not full time and I have to put some effort into passing) I pass pretty well.  The voice thing is killer but that comes down to practice I guess.  Anyway, its a fun quiz though I'm not sure how accurate it is.

Keeping in mind my base staring point, body type. Plus where I can be 6 months from now, hair, or lack thereof, and make-up. Add in say 6-12 mnths HRT.

I get an average score of 109. Lets say I get good boobies and hips from HRT add about 20 points... so 125-133.

I'm 33 but have always been mistaken for 5-7 yrs younger, in "mike" mode. Bio age wise I'm probably in my mid to late 20's.

About this little test... in my opinion it underestimates the "face" part of the score.

Also one could be double or even triple scoring points in regards to breasts... theres an HRT,BA, and padding options. Hair has the same quirk... natural and wig are subcatergories.

If so than I can possibly add 18 points for a future boob job, along with another 20 to boot for excellent HRT results to be. Than again Mamma says, "dont count your chickens till they've hatched."

Thanks for the break down Kristi.

Mich'

update... in real life from behind in public I have been mistaken for female and over the phone as well on occassion.

Theres a very tiny 'or' in between the breast options and hair options -- you're only supposed to use the score for one of them.

I think the age for starting transition is under-weighted -- I'm not saying older girls can't pass (because clearly they can), but more than almost anything else, starting young helps you pass, no way around it.

I'm really hesitant to see this test as valid... one of the things which strikes me is the lack of multipliers.  In others words, certain things in combination help to amplify passability - for example, an ample bosom combined with a good waist /hips ratio and strong hips has more of an impact than any two of those working together.

I'd also say the gap between natural and "augmentation" on breasts and hair should likely be a wider gap.  Natural breasts behave differently than surgical or padding alternatives and a good natural jiggle when you walk does have an impact on people's assessment.   When people see that bounce, any questions they might have had seem to evaporate.  In fact the solution might actually be to up the weighting for natural breasts.

The test would appear to be missing mannerisms... most of the transwomen I see outted, get outted more on behavior than appearance.  If you act in a masculine manner, it is easier to be read.

Also height as a deciding factor?  Hardly...  It does not constitute a third of what people read... especially on anyone under 5' 10". 

If I were to build total points breakouts for this:

Facial Features 50 pts
Bosom 35 points
Voice 35 points
Behavior 20 points
Age and Hormones 20 pts
Hair 20 pts
Physique 20 pts

Total 200 points

I'd also add negative modifiers outside the 200 point system for four items: Height over 6', Heavily Musculature, Beard Growth, and uncorrected Balding.  Mainly because at their extremes, these are important... but IMO when you don't cross into the extreme they can be very irrelevant.

I got 132 points.

I barely understood the part when its asked: "Duration of hormone therapy prior to transition" It seems it means prior to fulltime transition as stated in the next question.

Its like LOL.

The quiz is not valid.  Your build is not that important if you dress well.  Your hair is not important if you have a realistic wig.

But the main flaw is that it does not consider some of the most important elements of passing: confidence, body language, mannerisms...

lol at where this post went. Kristi, you are bad!

Quote from: lacitychick21 on April 26, 2009, 09:15:05 PM
Darn it...

i forgot my score... but it's of little consequence. Meghan proved it's a sloppy, unreliable test anyway.


P.S. I want to be the trans girl on the top row, fourth column. <3

Bunnies don't need scores. 

Quote from: MeghanAndrews on April 27, 2009, 09:10:29 PM
lol at where this post went. Kristi, you are bad!

I know    but looks aren't everything.

Kristi

Gee 99 for me. But I'll blame that on my mom who was big boned too.


and Kristi,  Girl you would pass in SF,  You've always looked good. 

Quote from: Beni on April 28, 2009, 11:06:22 AM
Gee 99 for me. But I'll blame that on my mom who was big boned too.


and Kristi,  Girl you would pass in SF,  You've always looked good.

OMG, Beni, you are my new best friend!



Kristi