QuoteI held no political opinion during the elections.

Does that mean that you did not vote?  If No, then don't bitch.  You had a chance to voice your opinion at the polls.

Second, it has only been 100 days, and it is a known fact it will take the first two years to show his metal.  Anything that happens with in that time is the previous administration.

Janet

QuoteAbsolutely, which is why I refused to vote because both choices sucked.  I complained about then.

Which is why you will always be behind all talk and no action.

I think they have ya on the "not bother to vote" bid-ness there, Ann.

As for the rest, I have to admit that I just love reading the marred regurgitations of Michelle Malkin, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Mike Savage, Michelle Bachman, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannitty.

This all happened once before and not that long ago. In 1992 the Right and the Pubes decided that they were gonna get totally pissed with the electorate because 40% of the people had the gall to vote for someone other than Bush I. And another 20% voted for a Texas dwarf who said he could personally turn the country around. O my, the sky fell.

And actually it sorta did. The policies of Reagan/Bush were carried forward at a very substantial speed with Clinton and then Bush II, Cheney, Ashcroft and crew came in and pretty much did away with anything that even remotely resembled constitutional government while y'all ate that crap as if it were cheerios. Yum.

Of course, this time they are truly pissed because dammit they had the country right where they wanted it: 2 wars, a huge housing bubble that they truly thought would go on forever and regardless of the unconstitutional actions of those who were running the show and their intent to bankrupt the goverment completely they, instead, bankrupted each other and needed some serious government assistance which, of course is nothing at all like the AFDC/TANF benefits they convinced y'all were bankrupting the country and giving away "free money" to those who didn't deserve it.

Well, now the piper's being paid and trust me, bad as it will get for Obama it will be worse for the know-nothing Pubes who will be all into crawling under people's blankets to see how many people are in bed with them and trying to find ways to transfer the remaining 35% of real-wealth in the economy to the top 10% of the population.

And fascinatingly they'll manage to bamboozle a lot of you just as they managed to do the first times around because, quite honestly, they know a group of shills when they see them. Too many of y'all don't seem to get the fact that they think that y'all are not deserving of any wealth. None, Zip. Zilch. Their only concern is that they and their children have all the wealth (different than money.) And, of course, y'all agree with them thinking that somehow you're gonna manage to be seen for the brilliant and worthy person who should be right there with them. OK, with y'all as examples of political sophistication and insight I'm reasonably sure that they'll manage to keep y'all on that leash forever. Y'all never learn nuthin'.

So, y'all please do go to Canada where maybe someone might teach you something about your own best interests and how you've been eating those cheerio-lookin' pieces of crap. But, to tell the truth, I doubt it.

Instead you'll wind up eating this stuff till the day ya die because when it comes right down to it you never learn nuthin.' At least not politically. Here's to ya.

Things will get worse before they get better; especially since Obama seems more than willing to trust the thieves to be in total charge of the banks. And since y'all are so eaten up with moronic platitudes spouted by the lackies (who are invariably quite well-paid) of those who've stolen most of the value from everything here and placed it tidily in their own trust-funds and properties over the past twenty-nine years (in some cases for longer than many of you've been alive, let alone "thinking") I would imagine that you'll never realize what hitcha. Haven't yet obviously.

Mencken was righter than he knew "no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people." He should have added the corollary: no one ever worried about under-estimating the bone-moronic economic understanding and the political sophistication of the American public. 

Nichole

Quote from: Nichole on May 01, 2009, 08:56:10 AM
I think they have ya on the "not bother to vote" bid-ness there, Ann.

As for the rest, I have to admit that I just love reading the marred regurgitations of Michelle Malkin, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Mike Savage, Michelle Bachman, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannitty.

This all happened once before and not that long ago. In 1992 the Right and the Pubes decided that they were gonna get totally pissed with the electorate because 40% of the people had the gall to vote for someone other than Bush I. And another 20% voted for a Texas dwarf who said he could personally turn the country around. O my, the sky fell.

And actually it sorta did. The policies of Reagan/Bush were carried forward at a very substantial speed with Clinton and then Bush II, Cheney, Ashcroft and crew came in and pretty much did away with anything that even remotely resembled constitutional government while y'all ate that crap as if it were cheerios. Yum.

Of course, this time they are truly pissed because dammit they had the country right where they wanted it: 2 wars, a huge housing bubble that they truly thought would go on forever and regardless of the unconstitutional actions of those who were running the show and their intent to bankrupt the goverment completely they, instead, bankrupted each other and needed some serious government assistance which, of course is nothing at all like the AFDC/TANF benefits they convinced y'all were bankrupting the country and giving away "free money" to those who didn't deserve it.

Well, now the piper's being paid and trust me, bad as it will get for Obama it will be worse for the know-nothing Pubes who will be all into crawling under people's blankets to see how many people are in bed with them and trying to find ways to transfer the remaining 35% of real-wealth in the economy to the top 10% of the population.

And fascinatingly they'll manage to bamboozle a lot of you just as they managed to do the first times around because, quite honestly, they know a group of shills when they see them. Too many of y'all don't seem to get the fact that they think that y'all are not deserving of any wealth. None, Zip. Zilch. Their only concern is that they and their children have all the wealth (different than money.) And, of course, y'all agree with them thinking that somehow you're gonna manage to be seen for the brilliant and worthy person who should be right there with them. OK, with y'all as examples of political sophistication and insight I'm reasonably sure that they'll manage to keep y'all on that leash forever. Y'all never learn nuthin'.

So, y'all please do go to Canada where maybe someone might teach you something about your own best interests and how you've been eating those cheerio-lookin' pieces of crap. But, to tell the truth, I doubt it.

Instead you'll wind up eating this stuff till the day ya die because when it comes right down to it you never learn nuthin.' At least not politically. Here's to ya.

Things will get worse before they get better; especially since Obama seems more than willing to trust the thieves to be in total charge of the banks. And since y'all are so eaten up with moronic platitudes spouted by the lackies (who are invariably quite well-paid) of those who've stolen most of the value from everything here and placed it tidily in their own trust-funds and properties over the past twenty-nine years (in some cases for longer than many of you've been alive, let alone "thinking") I would imagine that you'll never realize what hitcha. Haven't yet obviously.

Mencken was righter than he knew "no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people." He should have added the corollary: no one ever worried about under-estimating the bone-moronic economic understanding and the political sophistication of the American public. 

Nichole

lol you go girl!!
Oops, edited the wrong post by mistake. I knew I was editing my own words. Just on the wrong post. -- Nichole

Well said Nichole Here in the rest of the World we have looked on in horror at what has happened in the US.

Hate to break it to you hun, but not all of us are bone-moronic. I've said little and done less, because I'm still in school, working on getting my doctorate, so that the average person will take me seriously when I speak.

I realize that the people who have the wealth, have it for a reason, and the fact that they have it, makes it that much easier to hang onto it, and gives them the tools they need to grab the remaining little pieces and argue over it, whilst convincing the rest of the ignorant masses that they are doing a just cause, and they'll get the crumbs if only they'll side with the current puppet/thief.

My objection to Obama, is that he's a smooth enough talker, that he's doing the job much better. That, and he has about the same brains and political sense as the previous administration, while the media chalks him up as the savior of the country, while he manages to mangle things that he shouldn't be having trouble with. His goals are frightening, thankfully he seems inept enough that he won't get his bigger ones into realization.

"The average person will believe any lie you tell them, either because they want it to be true, or because they fear that it is true" (Goodkind) The media has made a business destroying America, and blinding us to that they are doing, by providing the proper scandal to cover up any major crimes. (I.E. Clinton with nuclear weapons technology, who ->-bleeped-<-ing  cares if the man can't keep his pants up, I'm more concerned with the fact that suddenly, thanks to our government, we can be targeted by a nuke in less than 15 seconds, and they now have the range to get here....)

I doubt a multiyear repeat of vietnam was what anyone in upper administration had in mind. Admittedly the reasons for the war were silly, I'd have gone in with spec ops to get the same job done. Nobody can deny that we've done that country a lot of good. We need out, but the Bush admin made the mistake of promising to help them turn the country around.

And yes, the economy is mostly the result of complete and utter idiocy on the part of the American people. If the media says we're in a huge depression, than dammit we must be! Stupidity... There was no huge spike in unemployment, not like the great depression which hit 35% unemployment if I'm not mistaken. People just decided to hang on to their money, because "depression" had struck. Employers THEN started laying people off..... less than 2% of the population, but then people started to get scared, and it was a convenient excuse to not give raises, etc... CVS for instance, is making just as much money as it was prior to all the depression nonsense, and yet they are withholding all raises greater than 2%, wanna know where that money is going? Two places, expansion, and bonuses for the upper corporate money-grubbers.

Quote from: Rachel on May 01, 2009, 03:45:03 AM
you whine and moan about stupid Americans that think "what can the govt do for me" and not "what can i do for the govt" yet your doing the exact thing.  "oh, its all heading to disaster, im leaving."  its the exact same mindset that you were earlier having issues with.  If your going to leave leave, if your going to complain, then do something about it instead of just venting at people.  Why not try and work yourself above the Americans that you spurn, instead of just following in their footsteps.

Why do you think I'm putting in 60 hours a week at work on top of being a med student?

Jeez, out of all the people, at least show some gratitude, I put in my taxes and spend my income into an economy that's failing, I don't take out of federal spending like Medicaid as appealing as it would be because I work in the system and know HOW I could get the system to pay for my hormones and my surgery, but I don't.  I could go out and get high like I really want to, but instead I invest money in exercise and anime and other things so that I know my money is getting back into the flow instead of going out to other countries in drug money and crap.  I do as much as anyone does for my country, so's my brother Kelar, so STFU.

Half the people on this forum can't say they do as much as I do, and the other half that can aren't the ones I'm talking about and I'm sure agree with me for the most part.

"Hate to break it to you hun, but not all of us are bone-moronic."

Hate to break it to you darling, but I never said they were!

I object to the US Government and it's foreign policy, not the American people.

As for Obama, it was naive to expect anything much different from him. While corporatism continues to rule the country the US will remain on the verge of National Corporatism, which was was once defined by a very famous person as the definition of ...

The problem with the economy isn't half the problem Nichole made it out to be.  The main problem is like I said: the people.  The one fact that James(Kelar) failed to mention was well: credits cards and loans.  We're addicted to them.  If the average American were to consolidate, re-consolidate, and and budget out to be living on only half of they after-tax income, it would still take them up to 17 years to climb out of the whole of debt they'd dug themselves into.  They say, "spend, spend, spend, it's good for the economy."  I fail to see how enslaving everyone into debt so bad that they end up giving it up to bankruptcy or a major company goes bankrupt because they're not turning a profit because everyone's debt is so great that they're not paying it out.

And then dumbfuk bush comes along and bails them out so they can get even more in debt...

The whole system is messed up.

People keep yelling at me that I should have voted.  For what?  Someone I'm complaining about now for being a complete NOOOB or for someone who was going to keel over from a heart attack but not before putting us in the next cold war with China?  It's like handing me a gun and telling me to shoot a little kid or a pregnant woman, either way I'd be a murderer and neither choice seems more appealing than the other.

Obama sucks.  And since he's the one who's won, and he's the one blowing his own horn and proving already with virtually every action he's made that he hasn't got a clue what he's doing... I don't NEED two years to make this statement, and even if I were to wait two years from now what I'm saying now would only be painting him as a saint compared to what's to come.  The other presidents at least had some experience so they knew how to screw us over a bit more discreetly, this dude is just like putting a monkey behind the stick of an airplane: crash.

Indulgence

Straighten yourself and you will not stand steady;
Display yourself and you will not be clearly seen;
Justify yourself and you will not be respected;
Promote yourself and you will not be believed;
Pride yourself and you will not endure.

These behaviours are wasteful, indulgent,
And so they attract disfavour;
Harmony avoids them.

Quote from: Annwyn on May 01, 2009, 10:55:38 AM
Why do you think I'm putting in 60 hours a week at work on top of being a med student?

Jeez, out of all the people, at least show some gratitude, I put in my taxes and spend my income into an economy that's failing, I don't take out of federal spending like Medicaid as appealing as it would be because I work in the system and know HOW I could get the system to pay for my hormones and my surgery, but I don't.  I could go out and get high like I really want to, but instead I invest money in exercise and anime and other things so that I know my money is getting back into the flow instead of going out to other countries in drug money and crap.  I do as much as anyone does for my country, so's my brother Kelar, so STFU.

Half the people on this forum can't say they do as much as I do, and the other half that can aren't the ones I'm talking about and I'm sure agree with me for the most part.

That is all well and good, shows that you at least have the brains to not ruin it all like the rest of America is.  The fact still remains, from the way your speaking sounds like, your not doing anything to change the things your complaining about.  Are you an activist against the things you dislike, or do you just complain about them, hoping that someone will have the brains to think about it and fix it so you don't have to.  If you are actually being an activist against the things you dislike, well then good for you, your doing something about it.  If your not doing anything, then there is no point complaining about it.

Its wonderful that your going to med school, and spending money in the economy, your investing somewhat properly (I don't know your specifics so I cannot say how well).  That still doesn't change the fact that your not doing anything politically and complaining.

QuoteI don't NEED two years to make this statement, and even if I were to wait two years from now what I'm saying now would only be painting him as a saint compared to what's to come.  The other presidents at least had some experience so they knew how to screw us over a bit more discreetly, this dude is just like putting a monkey behind the stick of an airplane: crash.

Well I'm glad your psychic and have the clairvoyance to know exactly whats going to happen in the next 2 years.  So please, tell me how I'm going to die, I would really like to know.

But seriously, be patient, just because you think you know what your talking about doesn't mean you do.  So please stop tooting your own horn.

I'm not saying the man's a saint, and I'm not saying that he isn't going to screw up like you say.  What I am saying is he deserves as much of a shot as anyone else does.  Despite what you say, the people who think they can predict the financial future are deluded and often wrong, overshooting or undershooting what actually happen by a fair margin.  Lets wait out the next 4 years, its not like we have a choice in the matter.  There are only three ways that he is getting out of that office.

1) He does something ridiculously illegal, and is removed
2) He resigns (this one is the least likely)
3) He is killed

If you want to complain, be an activist and change things through your senators, they do the real work in this country law wise.
If your not an activist, don't complain because your tooting your own horn.

words without action are useless.

Quote"The average person will believe any lie you tell them, either because they want it to be true, or because they fear that it is true" (Goodkind)

goodkind was surprisingly insightful in his novel series "The Sword of Truth", an amazing writer that one.  Good quote too, and your point afterward is well made.  People rarely want to see the truth, only what they believe to be the truth.

As for Obama, it was naive to expect anything much different from him. While corporatism continues to rule the country the US will remain on the verge of National Corporatism, which was was once defined by a very famous person as the definition of ...
and the irony here, even from the doctoral candidate, is that no one appears able to see that what's being screamed from the rooftops after 100 days by the Pube-puppets who are puppeteering this crap is "yeah, that's what we want, throw us into the briar patch br'er fox."

I'll start believing in the efficacy of Economics, Business Administration, and other "economic scientist" grads when they first get an education and THEN go to professional schools. We've had this all turned around since at least the fifties. That's when the university-going public started going to school to make money. Well, you got money, just very little sense of how to use it and how to control it's uses. Money is a figment!

At least you see that with credit debt, Ann. Good for you.

Nichole

And religion being, indeed, the opiate of the masses, what could be more true than that money and it's pursuit has anesthesized most of the sense people have? The American religion is money, not wealth or health or well-being and community. That's why they do, indeed, needs edumacations.

Sayanora, I'm done. 

Why are you so angry? Please calm down, no need to be shouting at people to "STFU". There's room enough here for others' valid opinions as well as your own. I must tell you though, I'm sure you didn't mean it that way but referring to any black man as a "monkey" is getting dangerously close to a racial slur, which I'm sure is not well tolerated here.

I have no credit cards and no credit card debt; I pay my mortgage on time and am not now nor have I ever been in danger of losing my house. I own my own small business and pay the government plenty of taxes, which I'd much rather see go to feed hungry, needy children or provide them with good schools and healthcare, than buying bombs to blow them to smithereens with. I have no children but agree with the sentiment that says if you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

I'm just wondering... if you hate Obama so much, why did you vote for him? Because not to vote is the same as voting for the winner. Simple, irrefutable logic that has nothing to do with the amount of taxes you pay. you can't avoid culpability by not voting; it makes you just as guilty and your opinion far less credible.

If you had decided to post this opinion before the election in hopes of swaying the minds of those who do their patriotic duty and actually vote, just remember that one who learns to state his/her opinions calmly and articulately, as those on both sides have done here, may in fact convince others to listen to your reasoning. Angry, unreasonable rants however, convince no one of anything except the vulgarity of the ranter.

I hardly think that the monkey statement was referring to "any black man".. more so the one presently in charge of the country.

*puts moderator hat on*

As always in discussing politics that are undeniably close to us all, tempers seem to get a little flaired. If anyone starts to want to scream at people from reading this thread, please take 5 minutes to breathe and consider ignoring this thread altogether.

Quote from: Miniar on May 01, 2009, 11:52:24 AM
*puts moderator hat on*

As always in discussing politics that are undeniably close to us all, tempers seem to get a little flaired. If anyone starts to want to scream at people from reading this thread, please take 5 minutes to breathe and consider ignoring this thread altogether.

O.O noooooo, the moderator hat, it foils me again

hehe, jk, but yeah, your right, i do sometimes get lost in my political arguments, sowwy

(disappears from thread)

Quote from: KelarDrioktain on May 01, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
I hardly think that the monkey statement was referring to "any black man".. more so the one presently in charge of the country.

But how does referring to him as a monkey help get anyone's point across? you could say "buffoon", which is probably more accurate to the previous administration, but at least it can't be misconstrued. Trust me, someone would interpret it the wrong way, doesn't matter what the original intent of the statement. Like yesterday when the media was trying to put a good spin on Biden's statements that airplanes are seething hotbeds of viral infection. Turns out people have studied this and they're actually not, but the words were out there.

My take on all politicians is this: if they really, really want to be elected, then they shouldn't be. We should have to drag them into office kicking and screaming. We could hardly end up worse off.

Now on that point I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I don't care about the skin color of any man.  Christ, it's a reference to his political IQ, not about his skin color.  I really get sick of people claling me a racist simply because I'm southern, when if anyone will follow my blogs the only people I've been dating are well, BLACK men.  Christ.

Take it down a notch Annwyn, lets try to keep things friendly here.

Sarah L.