Depending on the offense and the specific jail not everyone is striped searched or given a jump suit. Some just make you empty your pockets and pat you down, not even very closely. You get locked up in a holding cell till you see a judge.

Quote from: DarkLady on May 14, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
Perhaps in Mississippi. I have asked my question from too many peolple to agree with you. Including one former law enforment official from the old south.

No one is requesting your agreement. It's fine if you don't agree.

My experiences (all hearsay from others arrested) pretty much tally with what Cindygurl45 stated in her post. That's the way lots of jurisdictions do the actually deeds, regardless of what laws are on State and Local blue books. That is not limited to the Deep South, the Mid-South, the Midwest, Northeast, Rocky Mountains, Mid-Atlantic, Southwest, or Pacific Coast. Local authority, as long as the paperwork looks right and there's no witness to prove differently, usually have their own ways to handle matters.

What you're doing is stating as fact a process to be true as a State law. Such matters are able to be found at the appropriate State govt websites.

A post-comment at Bilerico is not the same thing as "proof" just as such comments here are not "proof."

As I told you privately, spreading rumor, innuendo and false perceptions is not the interest of this board when it comes to matters that effect, possibly, the entire community.

Please, regardless of whether or not you agree, desist in stating as factual hearsay.

Thanks so much.

Nichole

I lived both in Mississippi and TN and my ex-partner worked in law firms in both. The "good old boy" structure lives so regardless of the law, lawyers and judges do as they please.

Quote from: lisagurl on May 14, 2009, 11:27:39 AM
I lived both in Mississippi and TN and my ex-partner worked in law firms in both. The "good old boy" structure lives so regardless of the law, lawyers and judges do as they please.

That happens, as I said, pretty much everywhere.

So the persons whom I asked have screwed me up. The former law enforment official was quit sure about the things. And wanted hard evidence to believe differently.

I thought I said pretty much the same thing back a few pages now, yup.

You get to some of the backwoods areas of Tennessee, where the sheriff is the judges brother, and their cousin is the mayor, they can pretty much do what they want for a long time.

But perhaps bob said it best (as almost always):
Well, the emptiness is endless, cold as the clay
You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way
Only one thing I did wrong
Stayed in Mississippi a day too long

Quote from: tekla on May 13, 2009, 09:24:47 PM
I would actually BE safer in a women's prison.

You just don't even have a clue as to what kind of girls get to go to prison do you?  I wouldn't worry about what's between your legs, when you get in there, its all about the color of your skin.

Don't assume what I do and do not have a clue about, Tekla. Skin color, as I understand it, is key in just about any prison that houses people of different races. I said safer, not safe. "Safer" is relative to the respective threats. And anyway (perhaps this was not clear), by this time, I was not referring to the inmates so much as to the COs. Wherever I would be, I would request to be sequestered from the regular prison population because of my trans status. In my neck of the woods, such requests are supposedly honored. Supposedly.

But since I'm a meek, mild-mannered, middle-class white boy who never gets into trouble, the issue is probably moot, for me.

That's gotta be the best advise, just don't do anything that will get you arrested, including forging your SRS papers to get married, that is unless you enjoy the idea of being locked up and all your private business made public, sometimes a point just ain't worth it.

I taught in prisons for years, male and female (see what you have to look forward to if you ever finish that PhD?) and what I saw was the the law was much less likely to toss women in, as a result, the women you get are far more violent then the average guy in prison is. 

And that was a nice, white midwestern state.  You go to a state with a major city, with much bigger drug dealing going down, and with more gang activity - look out. I've done work in California prisons, and that's an entire different deal than the Iowa prison system.

Wherever I would be, I would request to be sequestered from the regular prison population because of my trans status.
Solitary confinement - which is pretty much what it is, or you'll be in with cops gone bad - really messes with people's minds.  Even people on death row get to talk to other people.

And you can request it, but depending on what you did, and who is deciding, and how much work you have had done, and how much they have to do - its a toss up.  You are a prisoner, you have NO rights.

Quote from: DarkLady on May 14, 2009, 11:34:56 AM
So the persons whom I asked have screwed me up. The former law enforment official was quit sure about the things. And wanted hard evidence to believe differently.

No, I wouldn't say that they screwed you up, not unless you're planning to go to prison and desire placement in a male prison wherever it was they were familiar with.

Ya know, it's been my experience with prison guards and the psychs who work at prisons and the wardens of the two prisons I've been required to visit in from time to time in the course of the work I do and even in the several county and local jails I've been around as a matter of my work that all most people want in those situations is a quiet and easy time with as little violence and turmoil as possible.

Trust me, incarcerating someone with a vagina in a male general population is not going to result in "a quiet and easy time with as little violence and turmoil as possible."

N~

Even if Rittenbury had had GRS, the marriage would have been voided.  But if they married in Kentucky it wouldn't have.  Jenny Boylan did a great job at pointing out the absurdity of having each state decide who is what gender and who marries who:

A lawyer for the transgendered plaintiff in the Littleton case noted the absurdity of the country's gender laws as they pertain to marriage: "Taking this situation to its logical conclusion, Mrs. Littleton, while in San Antonio, Tex., is a male and has a void marriage; as she travels to Houston, Tex., and enters federal property, she is female and a widow; upon traveling to Kentucky she is female and a widow; but, upon entering Ohio, she is once again male and prohibited from marriage; entering Connecticut, she is again female and may marry; if her travel takes her north to Vermont, she is male and may marry a female; if instead she travels south to New Jersey, she may marry a male."

Julie

I vote for the stay out of prison/jail approach, I did get a speeding ticket once about 15 years ago.
Myles

Quote from: myles on May 14, 2009, 12:52:46 PM
I vote for the stay out of prison/jail approach, I did get a speeding ticket once about 15 years ago.
Myles

I'm with you! lol 

It's not worse than you imagine, its worse than you can imagine.  Particularly if you are in for something violent.

Quote from: tekla on May 14, 2009, 01:02:35 PM
It's not worse than you imagine, its worse than you can imagine.  Particularly if you are in for something violent.

Yeah, nothing quite like caging a bunch of tigers together for twenty-five to fifty-years and not feeding them. They tend to eat each other. 

Not exactly like they were charm school graduates to begin with.

Quote from: tekla on May 14, 2009, 01:15:58 PM
Not exactly like they were charm school graduates to begin with.

O, I don't know, some of the ones I've worked with have been pretty charming when they've needed to be. But I doubt that they got that from any "charm-school" other than the one they needed on the street and then in prison.

Well, however this all shakes out we have a trans person who committed some crimes and is being labeled a transgender criminal.  Springer material totally.  And the readers of this story will say, "See, those people are a menace to society!  They should all be locked up!" 

Will I still be alive when there's a news article published that tells of a trans person doing something good? 

Julie

Quote from: lisagurl on May 14, 2009, 11:23:23 AM
Depending on the offense and the specific jail not everyone is striped searched or given a jump suit. Some just make you empty your pockets and pat you down, not even very closely. You get locked up in a holding cell till you see a judge.

Yea. Usually Cis-women are allowed to use their own clothes. (This may be different in different states/ counties.)

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Quote from: Nichole on May 14, 2009, 12:16:05 PM
No, I wouldn't say that they screwed you up, not unless you're planning to go to prison and desire placement in a male prison wherever it was they were familiar with.

Ya know, it's been my experience with prison guards and the psychs who work at prisons and the wardens of the two prisons I've been required to visit in from time to time in the course of the work I do and even in the several county and local jails I've been around as a matter of my work that all most people want in those situations is a quiet and easy time with as little violence and turmoil as possible.

Trust me, incarcerating someone with a vagina in a male general population is not going to result in "a quiet and easy time with as little violence and turmoil as possible."

N~

Actually they were saying that external genitalia is the placement criteria.

Quote from: Julie Marie on May 14, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
Will I still be alive when there's a news article published that tells of a trans person doing something good? 

Julie

Figure out the ratio of good news published vs. bad, then adjust for transgendered amongst the good ones. Don't forget to adjust for the hate mongering editor.  You could be in for a long wait.