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Boyfriend becoming a girl, I'm confused.

Started by .:Ashley-Confused:., June 17, 2009, 07:15:42 PM

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Hey I'm brand new here my name is Ashley, I feel kinda confused and odd just even talking about this but my boyfriend told me about a month or two ago that he wants to be a girl. I'm not sure how to feel about it. I want to open and completely ok with it but I'm not. I've been with him for 2 years but I've never seen any signs of it and he always seemed like a guy guy not even kinda feminine. So I'm worried that'd his been lying to me for 2 years. I'm also worried about what if we get a life together because I don't know if this makes me bisexually or not, and how my family would feel about h\this. So I'm just confused ans scarred that his going to leave me for a guy and everything. I don't know how i should feel or what to say to him, or how to tell him how i feel. I've tried and he doesn't understand. Please HELP!
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Janet_Girl

Hi Ashley, :icon_wave:

Welcome to our little family. Over 2500 strong. That would be one heck of a family reunion.

Feel free to post your successes/failures, Hopes/dreams.  Ask questions and seek answers. Give and receive advice.

But remember we are family here, your family now. And it is always nice to have another SO. :icon_hug:

And be sure to check out

We have learned thru the years how to hide our true gender.  As for the wanting a guy thing,  maybe s/he is lesbian, and will want to still be with you.  Food for thought.  And just show and tell s/he that you care and want to understand.  And maybe mention us here for s/he to join.  Plenty of SO for you to talk to here.

Janet
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Tam

Hi,
I can relate to how you are feeling.  There is a lot of confusion, heartache, and wondering that goes along with this.  Talk to the people here, they are a lot of help and can also bring a lot of comfort to you.  Just know that you are not alone.
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Autumn

Yes, in a way, he was lying to you. Along with everyone else in the world, and to himself for a long time, too, probably. Don't take it personally. Look at the way you're feeling now, the confusion, fear, perhaps feeling of betrayal - and then recognize that he probably knew you would react that way. But having been together for two years, he loves you and trusts you enough to tell you something that is monumentally horrifying to admit in the beginning. Having to look someone you love in the eye and tell them something that could easily have them turn around and never come back, something that most of society doesn't understand and is hostile to, is not easy in the least.

There is a lot to read here. You may have more success reading in the transsexual/transgender/male to female forums, to try to get a grasp of what our situation means to us. But certainly poke through the significant other threads here. You are not alone in your position. And yes, it is unfair to have this dropped in your lap, but the burden that he has carried alone was unfair for him to be born with, too.

Many people here were marines, construction workers, boyscouts, etc - and are now women. Do not underestimate the ability for people to repress and deny and try to fake their way through life, from the feeling of necessity.

Please, try to forgive him for the deception - we usually have no choice in the beginning. He may not have even realized what was going on when he first started seeing you.

Gender and sexuality are very complex things, made worse by the fact that family plays a part for so many people. You can love a person for the person they are, beyond their body. However, if you lose attraction to him as a partner because he becomes increasingly feminine and you are not interested in that, it is not your fault.

Please, never fear to ask questions anywhere here.
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miniangel

Ashley, your boyfriend most likely wanted to tell you a long time ago. S/he must have been struggling with feelings for a long while but finding the right words at the right time couldn't have been easy. The important thing is that you are loved and trusted enough to be let in on this new aspect of both your lives. Don't worry yourself with labels like "bisexual". People are people and love is love. It sounds trite but it's true. Try to enjoy this journey together. It won't be easy but growth rarely is. And do read what people write here. My eyes have been well and truly opened since I found this site and I am so grateful for everyone who shares their own journeys here.
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Cindy

Dear Ashley

I can understand and feel your pain. Peoplpe invest immense energy and time in forming a loving relationship. This may sound odd but s/he must truely love you to tell you this.
I came out to my wife early in our relationship. We have now been married for 27 years. I haven't gone all the way as yet, but I do and I have always lived a lot of our married life as Cindy. It can work. It's all down to trust. S/he trusts you.

Love and Hugs
Feeling for you

Cindy
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Jamie-o

Welcome, Ashley.  I just want to address a couple of your concerns directly.  (All these ladies, getting all emotional.  ::) Time for a guy to step in and deal with facts.  ;)  Love you all.  :-*  ;D)

Does it make you bisexual?  Whether or not your boyfriend transitions does not affect who or what you are.  And you are the only one who can decide how you want to label yourself.  However, if he transitions, yes, people will perceive you as lesbian or bisexual.  IMO, what people think is irrelevant.  But that's something you will have to think about.  Can you be attracted to a woman?  Does it matter?  Is the relationship more important than other people's opinions about you?

Will he leave you for another guy?  Probably not.  Gender identity and sexual orientation are two separate issues.  There are gay transpeople, there are straight transpeople, and there are bi transpeople, just like among non-transgendered folk.  Of course, just like with non-transgendered folk, there are some who are in denial about their sexual orientation.  But the fact that he wants to be a woman does not mean that he is attracted to men. 
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Cindy

Typical :-*
Some Guy removing emotion from a debate :-* :-*

Cindy
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Starr

Hi Ashley,

Your concerns and confusion are normal and sound so familiar to me. I was in love with my (now) girlfriend for two years before she told me she was a woman. It's a huge thing to wrap your mind around at first, and it makes you question everything about yourself as well. It takes time.

There is no "should" for how you feel about it. Only you can decide if you can accept (her) this way. You're willing to try, and that's what's important right now. (She) has probably been thinking about this for a long time, but it's all new to you. (She) needs to understand that this is a lot for you to take in, and (she) has to be open and listen to your concerns as well.

Wondering if this changes your own sexuality is normal and scary. You have to look only at how you feel about the person, right here and now, as s/he is. If you're still attracted to them, go with it and don't worry about what to call yourself. If you find you can't be attracted to a woman, even one who is the same person you loved before, that's okay, too. You can always just be a supportive friend.

Worrying about him/her wanting a man instead is really hard. We went through that for awhile, but now we're both firmly lesbian. This point might fluctuate for awhile when someone transitions. If you love and are committed to each other, the worry about that will fade away.

Read as much as you can here and elsewhere to get a better idea of what it's like for them. Most importantly, make your boyfriend talk to you about what s/he is feeling. It's good that you found this place as soon as you did. I had to deal with my girlfriend's transition all alone because she wasn't out at work, and I couldn't tell my friends. We're here for you.
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tekla

Before they go and get all 'needy' on you (and they will) take the time to sit yourself down and ask and answer the following question.  "What is it I really want."  Because I can pretty much set 99-1 odds that once this train starts to roll, ain't no one going to be asking you that.

You need to know for yourself if this is large enough to live through, or not. Some - a very few - very strong relationships make it though this, but most do not.

If this is not how you see the rest of your life, not how you envisioned the rest of your life - then part ways and seek your own dream. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Ashley-Confused

Thank you all so much, this helps knowing i'm not alone and that he does trust me.
But the thing about this is I don't know what i want
This is the only relationship I've ever been in, I don't know what to want.

I feel like it's my fault because he told me the day after a talent show at our school.
And for the talent show I thought it'd be funny if he dressed up as Britney Spears and lip-synched to a song, So he agreed to do it.
Is it possible I sent the ball rolling faster then it was supposed to be?
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TamTam

No, I don't think that any of this is 'your fault.' :) Something like this is bound to come out sooner or later, and actually, sooner is better than later.  Less time wasted, more time to create a plan and gather funds, etc.  Someone who isn't trans would not become trans just by dressing like the other gender for a talent show, and someone who is trans would be trans whether or not they did that, too.

I think you know what you want, you just maybe don't know how to articulate it.  I mean, you want someone who you can talk to, right?  Perhaps someone who makes you smile?  Someone who won't treat you badly?  Even if all you have are generalities, they're still wants.  And so now think about your future.  Can you see yourself with a girl [if he transitions]?  Can you see yourself going shopping with her and helping her figure out how to wear makeup?  Little things..

And if imagining those things is overwhelming right now, you don't have to.  Take your time.  Rushing yourself or putting yourself on an arbitrary timeline for "when you have to accept it" will only make things more stressful.  Be kind and gentle with yourself, and let yourself accept things or question things at your own pace. :) If it turns out you feel you can't stay with her, that wouldn't make you a bad person.  It's okay to be confused, it's okay to not understand something, and it's okay to be unsure.  So let yourself feel whatever you have to feel, and give yourself room to change your mind as you learn more and get used to the idea.

They say that most people's first relationship doesn't last, but that's not true for everyone.  It just depends on how you feel and what you discover you want out of life. :)
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Chaunte

Quote from: Ashley-Confused on June 18, 2009, 02:58:56 PM
Thank you all so much, this helps knowing i'm not alone and that he does trust me.
But the thing about this is I don't know what i want
This is the only relationship I've ever been in, I don't know what to want.

I feel like it's my fault because he told me the day after a talent show at our school.
And for the talent show I thought it'd be funny if he dressed up as Britney Spears and lip-synched to a song, So he agreed to do it.
Is it possible I sent the ball rolling faster then it was supposed to be?

Ashley,

Welcome to Susans.

No, this is not your fault.  Nor did you trigger anything.  This was something that was waiting to happen.  And, as others have said, it is far better that this happen now.

I think it is relatively fair to say that most of us lived a Dr. Jeckyll & Ms. Hyde life for a long time.  Some longer than others, case in point.  I would bet you that s/he was in denial for a very long time - compartmentallizing feelings in a very deep recess of the mind where you can ignore them.  Unfortunately, the feeling keep erupting to the surface, making denial harder every time.

Coming out to you was a very difficult decision by your boyfriend.  It shows great trust in you.  The fact that you did not slap his face and go running away speaks volumes about you - all good.

It's good that you are asking these questions.  Most significant others don't show the compassion you are showing.  If I may be so bold, may i suggest talking with a counselor?  Since you have mentioned that you are in school, there should be somone available on campus that can help you find answers.

This is a journey of discovery both of you have embarked upon.  If there are things we can do to help, please let us know.  I wish both of you Godspeed. 

Shauna
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Janet_Girl

No it is not your fault.  My ex used to ask why Oregon?  I began a transition here and she knew me then.  I never could give her an answer.  But I think I can now.  It is just my time to become the woman I should have been.  S/he has felt this way for a long time, and the talent show was a chance  to let that little girl out of even a little while.

And if you stay, it is your transition too.  It takes time to come to grips with your part in all of this.

And I agree with Shauna that we are here for you, you are part of this family now.  Think of us as the Borg.  Resistance is futile, you have been assimilated.  ;D

Janet
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Chaunte

Quote from: Janet Lynn on June 18, 2009, 05:54:32 PM

And I agree with Shauna that we are here for you, you are part of this family now.  Think of us as the Borg.  Resistance is futile, you have been assimilated.  ;D

Janet

Unless you are an electrical engineer.  Then it's futile to be a resistor...

I'm just too wired to resist the pun!  :D  Let me just find a quiet place where I can meditate and go ohmmmmmmm!

Shauna
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Ms Jessica

not much to add other than welcome, and seconding good advice from other comments:
definitely not your fault.  don't go there. 

She really is trusting you a lot by telling you all of this, too.  The initial feeling of betrayal aside, it's not an easy thing to tell anyone.   

Transition, if you stay together, means you transition, too.  It's a tough thing.  My wife and I have been married just over five years, I told her just a little over 1 year ago.  It was really hard on us, and we almost separated.  She didn't really know what she wanted, and sometimes things go into limbo like that for a while.  Give yourself some time to adjust, maybe find a professional to talk to, and see where you end up. 

The perception of others is a really big deal, especially for SOs.  My wife was really concerned about being seen as a lesbian, but that concern has lessened over time. 

If I have some advice to toss out, I'd say don't worry about having your mind made up yesterday.  You've got some time to figure things out, so take advantage of it.  Work on things, and see if the relationship works for both of you.  Your feelings are just as valid as her feelings are, so don't let yourself get relegated to the back seat. 

Everyone here is really friendly, so feel free to discuss whatever comes up. 

Cheers!



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Kara

I didn't really read through the thread all the way, but I'm in the same boat as your b/f, I just don't have a significant other at the moment.

The choice to change genders is never brought on by another person in their lives. There would never be anything that extreme that would make them feel that dressing like the opposite sex and getting a sex change operation would make them feel good. I don't think he was hiding it from you; it probably just got to the point where he felt that he had to say something and start transitioning.

Is he putting his own interests above yours? Probably so, but there isn't a way to transition that takes the feelings of others into consideration. You don't have to transition either and he isn't betraying you. He's being true to himself. Do you really want to be with someone who denies their own nature and feels miserable all the time because they don't get what they want? If you don't want to become a lesbian, that's your choice but remember- he's following the path in his life that's best for him. He would probably ask for your support if he knew how. At least I would.  :icon_headfones:
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Chaos_Dagger

I haven't read everyone's replies, and I'll make mine short since I have to go soon anyway.

I understand that your confused, and it can be a very scary thing. I'm sure my SO wanted to just pick up and run, though with me it kinda shows through my actions before anyway.  I told her once before but she didn't believe me, until I screwed up really bad... that's a story for another time.

The main thing is you really need to think about yourself and whether or not you'll really be OK with it, yes you should support her through her transition, however (as much as I can't believe I'm saying this) no one says you have to stay her girlfriend, if you truly cannot handle it.

On the flip side, if she REALLY loves you, then it's mandatory that she support YOUR transition (from loving a male, to loving the same as a female) as much as possible.  It's a long story, but my SO had a vote and had she not been able to handle me transitioning (and trust me it's still hard but I haven't started HRT or anything permanent yet) out of love for her I would have just dropped everything.  Others reading this post may say that would be stupid, or it would never work to lock away a part of myself like that.  To me however, the most important thing in this world is Erica and I would do anything for her.

I thought I was going to make this short? Oh well I wish you the best of luck, let me know if you need any help!
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Meshi

I am TG/TS and have been closed for yrs.  I looked very male and tried to act like one.  In fact i was considered better than avg in looks..Had no prob with women being attracted to me, but for me i was always a female inside.  It can be very hard being raised male if you are TS and  you can be in denial for along time.  Maybe there was something with you that made him feel open.?  I cant upload an Avatar yet, because i dont have enough posts, but i  will..  I have only been physically  transitioning for a yr now, but there is a radical difference, as i have been not only on estradiol/aldactone for a yr, but undergoing laser hair removal,  electrolysis,  voice fem.  I just had FFS done 6wks ago.  I can go on and on...
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TamTam

Welcome to the site, Michelle!  Feel free to make an intro topic and let the whole forum say hello, or just post around. :D Lots of people here will get what you're going through.
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