Socialworker, that was indeed uncalled for.  It doesn't matter how strongly you disagree with someone's opinion, you can do so without resorting to personal attacks- personal attacks are not allowed here.  Annwyn didn't attack you, kindly give her the same courtesy.  [/Warning]

And on a personal note, my father was a republican.  For fiscal reasons only, but that's how he voted.  So using republican as an insult doesn't fly with me, no matter how big of a bleeding heart liberal I am.

Quote from: Virginia Marie on June 18, 2009, 11:55:46 PM
Wooooo hoooo!!! call the Potty Police!!!  The bathroom debate is getting hot 

Ha ha ha... I just see debate as a good fun sport I can't imagine anyone actually taking an internet debate seriously.


It's an assumed majority, if you're going to attempt to dispute something so obvious then there's no point in discussing this.

Err... for fun and sport? Discussions are fun!

Also, I don't think it's obvious. The "majority" one knows is only ever a small sliver of the actual majority. It's like looking at outer space through a toilet roll (which, incidentally, is also a fun thing to do  ).

One could agrue that the majority is evident in the media, but for the most part, the impression I get from it is that we are "abnormal" no matter who we are, we don't "fit in", everybody is shallow, and the only way to fix it all is to "Buy More Stuff" (tm)! Personally, I don't trust it as a viable information source! 

Quit raggin on me if you don't like the system and get it switched to single stall bathrooms, or is all you wanna do is whine and expect a mutually exclusive system by design to bend over backwards for your needs in disregard to the majority?

Actually, I'm not having a whine about the existing system. I've barely even mentioned it! (Only in passing, if you'll excuse the pun! )

I've been disagreeing with your view that people that get clocked in public restrooms should be "punsihed or reprimanded" for making people feel uncomfortable.

That would be because I value the ability to move freely, self expression, and freedom of personal presentation over feeling comfortable - even if it's my comfort that has to go by the way side in order to preserve the freedoms of someone else.

I'm not saying "I'm right and you're wrong", I'm saying "My system of values is obviously different to yours. I am curious, and must ask lots of questions!".

My name is Bruce, and I work for the "Department of Philosophy" in the University of Wooloomooloo. I work alongside Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce  and Bruce. Due to EEO laws, we no longer have a rule 6. This here is the wattle, the emblum of our land, you can stick it in a bottle or you can hold it in your hand AMEN. 

Quote from: Virginia Marie on June 19, 2009, 01:01:29 AM
Yeah, really. Annwyn may be a bit feisty at times, But I've personally encountered folks that make her look like a sweet heart 

So few people are willing to stand up and discuss their viewpoint if it doesn't tow the party line. I think her feistyness is a good thing - It allows for some interesting discussions!

If we all had the same point of view, and the same system of values, then the world would be a very boring place indeed.

Quote from: Teknoir on June 19, 2009, 02:12:04 AM
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So few people are willing to stand up and discuss their viewpoint if it doesn't tow the party line. I think her feistyness is a good thing - It allows for some interesting discussions!

If we all had the same point of view, and the same system of values, then the world would be a very boring place indeed.

The only small comment I'll make here (not directed at Teknoir I hasten to add) is that strong, forthright personalities tend to dominate the discussion.  I agree that it's good to have diverse viewpoints - we need our own opinions to be challenged to make us examine them, understand them, explore the rationality of them and so on.

However, it is unfortunate if the personality bullies (whether intellectual or foaming at the mouth bigots) scare the gentler personalities into silence.  It happens all the time - not just on the 'net.  Even in conference rooms at work, the conversation tends to get dominated by those of us who don't shy away from speaking out (myself included).  Hopefully an atmosphere can be fostered where all feel welcome to express their views, even in the face of strong disagreement.

The only thing I take an active dislike to would be the minority who think it's everyone else's responsibility to filter the signal of their wisdom from the noise of their attitude.  Those folks are simply r-soles.

Personally, I avoid public restrooms. Most of them are disgusting imo. But sometimes you just gotta go. I'm often not sure which one to use because people trip on me either way. That's one of the few things I miss about Calif. ... Either/Or restrooms 

I suppose I can be a bit of a domineering intellectual bully sometimes. Good point! 

But I digress... and we're getting into some major thread drift.

If only there were more unisex restrooms! That would really go a long way in solving the restroom issue.

They wouldn't have to be everywhere, just a few dotted around major crowd areas, like malls, showgrounds and stadiums.

Life could be so much easier if every mall had just ONE unisex restroom in it - then at least the early transitioner on the move would have somewhere they could pee in peace.

Sometimes, when you're on the road for a long time, holding it in isn't an option!

I'm sure there's unisex restrooms out there somewhere... it'd really help a lot of early transitioners if there was a website or database that would list them (or where you are most likely to find them!).

I'm sure there's unisex restrooms out there somewhere... it'd really help a lot of early transitioners if there was a website or database that would list them (or where you are most likely to find them!).

Well yeah.  There is. 

Quote from: tekla on June 19, 2009, 09:18:20 AM
Well yeah. There is.

Thank you, but where is it?

Here: Safe 2 Pee's unisex bathroom index

Geez it's quite simple folks...

If you are GG or GM then use the appropriate washroom.  If you are a TS and "Pass" use the appropriate washroom.  If you are TS and "Don't Pass" then stay out of the washroom until you can or use unisex facilities - it's not rocket science.

I can't understand why TS complain about the washroom! Once you've transitioned you have no worries, get on with it.

-={LR}=-

Quote from: Mister on June 19, 2009, 12:52:14 AM
Worst person in the world?  Holy crap, SW...  that was uncalled for.  Annwyn may have unpopular beliefs regarding who should piss where, but I'm pretty sure someone's kicked their dog, been sexually inappropriate with a toddler or something much more worthy of that title.

That is reward usually bestowed by Keith Olbermann on his nightly show on MSNBC

Quote from: xsocialworker on June 19, 2009, 11:39:02 AM
That is reward usually bestowed by Keith Olbermann on his nightly show on MSNBC

Way to avoid taking any sort of responsibility for crossing the line. 

While reading this thread I laughed, I cried and I wet my pants before I could reach the bathroom.

and it seems some people here at Susans are watching a little too much Angryman on the MSLSD cable station.

camaflage and conformity? Kinda like passing for Aryan in 30"s Berlin? Not everybody can be as fortunate as yourself ( or myself for that matter) and be 100% passable.
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As for passing, although I passed perfectly from day one-Who is going to be the passing police ? I guess the devil's in the details

I sent social worker a few PMs requesting pics of her 100% genuine passing gig and stuff.  She hasn't replied to a single one despite forum activity.

Gee, what a surprise.

Now what kind of social behavior is that Especially while we're talking about potties and such 

Given a disturbing experience i had this week, I can say one thing with absolute certainty... whether you use the bathroom of your physical gender or as the gender you present, dont stand outside the stalls whistling to yourself... its just downright creepy...

Quote from: Stacy Brahm on June 20, 2009, 02:27:42 AM
Given a disturbing experience i had this week, I can say one thing with absolute certainty... whether you use the bathroom of your physical gender or as the gender you present, dont stand outside the stalls whistling to yourself... its just downright creepy...

I 2nd that

Quote from: Ladyrider on June 19, 2009, 11:21:09 AM
Geez it's quite simple folks...

I can't understand why TS complain about the washroom! Once you've transitioned you have no worries, get on with it.

-={LR}=-

kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Perhaps one difference that is sometimes forgotten is between (pre-op)MTF-TS who uses ladies restroom or CD that does so. I agree that in case you have to stand while doing your issues in ladies restroom you do not belong to there.

Quote from: DarkLady on June 20, 2009, 01:30:24 PM
Perhaps one difference that is sometimes forgotten is between (pre-op)MTF-TS who uses ladies restroom or CD that does so. I agree that in case you have to stand while doing your issues in ladies restroom you do not belong to there.

MtF CD's are not female and should not be in a female only facility.

-={LR}=-

My saying "I pass perfectly" was meant as a satirical statement. I don't know if anybody does.  As for using Republican as an insult----------I mean that and I am serious about that. These folks are not our friends.

As for defining the diff between a pre-op and a CD, what agency would do that? Homeland Security, some ancient Mullah?

And I NEVER miss Hardball, Keith , or Rachel on MSNBC . I follow that up with Jon Stewart and Colbert. This is because I have no life.

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Posting a pic proves nothing because it might not be of me. Actually, I don't photograph so I have none.

Ever feel like some folks just like to argue? Hold that thought. I've got to pee