Nice job of ducking the issues and tossing out red herrings and changing the terms of the discussion, Toni. I think I'll spend my time elsewhere this evening. Have a good one.

Quote from: Arch on June 21, 2009, 10:49:34 PM
Nice job of ducking the issues and tossing out red herrings and changing the terms of the discussion, Toni. I think I'll spend my time elsewhere this evening. Have a good one.

Nice pointing of the finger.

I'm making hand shadow puppets of everyone arguing 
Oops, gotta pee again

You could just make hand shadow puppets of everyone peeing... 

Quote from: Stacy Brahm on June 21, 2009, 11:23:52 PM
You could just make hand shadow puppets of everyone peeing... 

That too. But now I have to mop the floor 

Whistle while you work.... 

I guess the contents of this thread pretty much means you can place the bathroom issue in with religion and politics.  Differing opinions will never be resolved.

I'd say it's time to put this one to rest.  Further discussion will not resolve anything.

Julie

Quote from: Julie Marie on June 21, 2009, 11:52:59 PM

I'd say it's time to put this one to rest.  Further discussion will not resolve anything.

I don't think we'll ever resovle anything either, and that's perfectly OK.

Sometimes the point of having a debate is to hear new viewpoints, challenge your opinions, play around with logic, and have a little fun!   

you can place the bathroom issue in with religion and politics.  Differing opinions will never be resolved.

Of course the second two are not a matter of law and legislation, while the first is, which makes it something very different.  And, to know that even among us there is such division, and you wonder why the public at large has trouble with it?  Well....

Its human nature, and not limited to religion, politics or potty habits. Just go to any trekkie site...

Reminds of a joke I heard... two men of the cloth are stranded on a desert island. Each has a different take on faith and needs a place to worship. When the rescuers came they saw 3 huts on the island. They asked "why 3 huts?"

"Simple my son. That one is where he prays, and this one is where I pray."

"And the third one?"

"Oh, thats the place neither of us would be caught dead in!"

I have solved this issue once and for all.

Like most good ideas that solve large problems it is also a model of simplicity,

From now on everybody in the entire world will be restricted to wearing Depends Undergarments while in public.

All restroom facilities outside the home are hereby outlawed.

Yes, before posting this I took the time to short my positions in the American Standard Corp and went long on the makers of Depends.

A wonderful side benefit to my decision... both men and women can now pee while standing up.

Hmmm.. are catheters an option for people who are more cleanliness-minded?

If you so desire. But don't expect ObamaCare to provide for them, as catheters are a known source of bladder infections.

Quote from: Zythyra on June 21, 2009, 08:59:38 PM
Regardless of what gender they might be, it isn't safe for a M2F CD to use the men's room when presenting as female.

Z

Just because a CD is out and about "Cross-dressed" doesn't give them the right to use the washroom they are presenting as.  If they are worried about having to use a washroom then they need to plan their outings better.

-={LR}=-

This thread has drifted so much that it no longer resembles anything like the original discussion.

Which is true of most threads, except for "My Odyssey Continues".

-Sandy

doesn't give them the right to use the washroom they are presenting as.

Happily the law as written in some places says exactly that.

Quote from: tekla on June 22, 2009, 06:15:45 PM
doesn't give them the right to use the washroom they are presenting as.

Happily the law as written in some places says exactly that.

And happily I agree.  In many countries, states, provinces anyone can use any washroom.

As this is a TS forum I'll just add that TS must be allowed to use the WC of the gender they identify as, be they pre-op, or living RLT.  There should be no issue with post-ops.  I think that problems start with this whole issue when those who are CD start demanding that they share the right of free access.  When others see this they see "Men in Dresses" pretending to be women, and wanting to share/encroach/invade a female space.

If you pass use the appropriate facilities, if you don't pass don't be surprised when you are not accepted with open arms.

-={LR}=-

What about those transsexuals who have had SRS, maybe FFS, voice training, total hair removal, and all legal papers in order and still don't pass effectively? Should they still use the facilities of their birth gender?  Single occupancy stalls? Or go where they wish with the confidence of knowing that if they are questioned, they have the correct papers?

Maybe they should always ask where the "restroom"is and go where they are directed. Maybe they should dress androgenously and give up "passing"

Maybe any restroom laws wherever they may exist have the moral authority of Jim Crow laws of the Fifties and just need to be ignored.

This could could set me up for some people to say I'm admitting I don't pass and that is why I don't have a pic.As dick Cheney would say"so what"

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I'm always chased up mountains by mobs with stones and pitchforks. That is why I have no  :icon_help:pic

Well, Toni may have a couple of rocks and a pitch fork handy  But I'm thinking maybe you need a hug 

As a matter of answering a question asked.

Quote from: Toni on June 21, 2009, 01:54:34 PM

I find it highly unlikely that even a cisgender individual living in his/her preferred role would not pass at least on some level, especially considering all the pharmaceutical and surgical windows open to any other individual.

Hate to do it to ya, Toni, but both of these instances have been in the News forum here over the past year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21246685/ and http://www.jasmynecannick.com/blog/?p=1854

Now, y'all may agree or disagree, but please try to show a bit of respect for one another regardless. Ok now?