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What am I?

Started by kesenaie, June 19, 2009, 11:07:20 AM

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kesenaie

I had no idea what to put as subject.///
Also, there's some rambling below, you're warned ^^

I wondered sometimes if I was transgendered, but I don't think I am judging from many posts I read here. I never felt dysphoria or any loathing of what I was because of my gender. I did get bullied a lot, but that died down after two years and I got a bunch of friends, but most of them were boys. Most of my interests are just guy things. I love gaming, computers, cars, trains and all that and I have had tons of fun with boys, much more than with my current friends, which are mostly girls. :/

(You don't have to read this if you don't want to.)
I've been thinking about it for a while but almost all my thoughts on getting surgery for a part of my body is purely for functionality. I hate my breasts because, even though they're small, you have to buy extra things for it like bras and bikini tops and you can't really run around shirtless like guys. To me they're just a bit with extra fat. I guess I'm sometimes a bit jealous of guys on the beach too, because they can run around without a shirtless, which somehow seems like freedom to me.

Whenever I have dreams, I somehow am a boy. In most of my thoughts I'm a boy and somehow that boosts my confidence a lot. I got short hair two weeks ago. At school I get some comments about manly hair etc. I get mistaken a lot for a guy in the shopping mall and whenever someone uses a word like 'guy' or 'boy' I feel excited or happy, or it just makes me laugh (after I walk away, ofc.). People seem to be warming up to me at school. Mostly I was just an outcast and no one bothered talking to me, but people from large groups sometimes talk to me too and are nice. This was after I went a bit boy-ish.

I also have a ton of both girls and boys clothing. My mom tells me I should go for some girl clothes but this is also the same person who went "If you ever have anything like that, you can tell me and I'll always love you forever because you are my kid" at the Oprah show with the 2 transgender people... she got me some boy swimming shorts though. They're very nice. Just need a (GAH, waste of money >.<) top.

Other than that, I'm planning on doing fitness in the summer holidays to get some muscle (Sort of like 6Pak on youtube, but less muscley than that!). I would like to get top surgery... but since I am not transgendered, I don't know if I can. I'm in the Netherlands but I could only find US/Canada or Taiwan here, which is a bit far away! :p

So.. am I androgyn? What am I?
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Kaelin

Liking (some) stereotypical things from another gender is sign of androgyny and does not confer (nor rule out) a particular gender on the individual -- it just means you don't conform to gender norms.

Transsexual is the term for a male born with a female body (FtM) or female born with a male body (MtF).  These people may elect to have corrective surgery, but it's not required in the medical sense.

Transgender is a term that lacks a universal standard, but according to our Wiki and Merriam-Webster (which offer fairly broad definitions), you may be included under this term.

Regarding breasts being a pain, my sister says the same thing.  She's decided to accept them for what they are and deal with the bras and such, but it also means she doesn't mind if they shrink if she gets skinnier.  Breast removal by itself may be problematic, but a "breast reduction" procedure is not exceedingly uncommon for women.  I don't know what conditions differentiate the two from an access perspective, though.

Regarding the idea that being a boy boosts your confidence, this one may take a little while to sort through, so I will offer some theories as to why you get this feeling.  The answer may end up being something else (perhaps a bit more subtle), but I've got to put some ideas out there:

1) You may, in fact, be a boy.  You don't have to necessarily have to hold hate from getting stuck in the wrong body, but it can still be incorrect.  However, if you don't feel the rest of your female parts aren't wrong or simply just don't get that feeling deep down that you are male, then this theory probably isn't going to work.

2) You may be an androgyne (neither male nor female).  The possibilities for this term are fairly broad, so I'm not going to try to lay out what they imply.

3) You may be an androgynous female.  You are perhaps a girl, but the stereotype of the girly girl is quite far from who you are.  You want to do activities because of their merits rather than the gender they are assigned to.  Maybe you enjoyed having more male friends because they did stuff that was fun, whereas the things females did may have been less interesting.  I myself am male, and I like gaming, computers, and some sports, and I take an interest in math (and applying it as appropriate).  However, I don't drink myself stupid, I can handle responsibilities like cleaning the house, and I can juggle psychology and a little dress-up.  You don't have to relate to the particulars, but if the general concept holds, you may be androgynous.  If you identify as an androgyne, you almost certainly get androgyny for free.  Considering that different cultures have their own standards for women and men, what qualifies as androgynous is often relative.

Good luck.
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RebeccaFog

None of us can tell you who you are.

We know you aren't interested in breasts, but how do you imagine you would feel if you had a beard or mustache? 

I ask because it may help to know if you are not interested in having any secondary sexual characteristics (beards, baldness, or breasts).

It sounds like you want some muscles. How do you feel when you have your monthly 'thing'? I don't mean disrespect, but one clue may be how you react when 'that time' comes around.

I'm just bringing up the physical aspects and not the inner identity stuff.

If you could look like anybody in the world, who would it be?


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Jaimey

The best way to figure out who or what you are is to ask questions, just like Reb suggested.  You ask questions and make a decision and move forward.  You may find that the more you push the boundaries of your comfort zone, the more you want to push them.  You may be androgyne, you may end up decided that you are ftm, or you may decide that you are completely and totally female.  Just keep questioning and do whatever you feel is right for you.  Welcome!  :-*
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Kinkly

Only you can come to find out the right label for you the androgyne secition is sertianly a gr8 place to find what you are by your intro you may be androgyne and/or genderqueer and/or gender diverse you may even be transgender (depending on the defination
some transexuals think the term only belongs to them while other people see itas anyone who transgresses from the gender rules of your society.  there are manny other definations placed between these two points.
if you feel like you are a bit maleand a bit female then androgyne my fit well many people here have made up new terms to suit themselves me i'm an intergendered androgyne
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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kesenaie

Thank you very much for explaining Kaelin. I tried reading on Wikipedia about transgender and androgyny but they didn't help very much, but your post did :)

Quote from: Rebis on June 19, 2009, 04:27:18 PM
None of us can tell you who you are.

We know you aren't interested in breasts, but how do you imagine you would feel if you had a beard or mustache? 

Uhm, I wouldn't really want a beard or a moustache, but that's just because I think they're not very clean to me because bits could stick in them and could get in the way.. although goatee's are nice, though.

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It sounds like you want some muscles. How do you feel when you have your monthly 'thing'? I don't mean disrespect, but one clue may be how you react when 'that time' comes around.

I don't think words can describe how much I hate it, but there's girls who hate it as well. Sure, it's a way to make sure the body is healthy, but I really can't stand myself at that time. I get pissed off at everyone and I just feel like stabbing myself and taking it out (the womb I think it is called?). I really can't describe it, but my mood is just generally very bad and I feel incredibly self concious and worried etc. I'm also really agressive then and I react all sorts of frustrations on myself, just because I'm angry for no reason and can't calm down because there is no reason or cause...

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If you could look like anybody in the world, who would it be?

http://simplyadorableme.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/koiketeppei2.jpg

He is a japanese singer and actor if you want to know :)
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Jaimey

Even if you don't know right now, I think you're well on your way.  And the fact that you're pretty young puts you way ahead of the game.  :) 

Btw...that singer is adorable.  :laugh:
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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RebeccaFog


I wish I looked like that singer.
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Vancha

Your feelings about that dreaded time of the month and, well, wanting to get top surgery and so on, it does sound like you're an FTM transsexual.  But maybe that's just me; that's how I am, after all.  But I can really understand how you feel.  You could be an effeminate guy, or androgynous, or even just a masculine girl.  It's really hard to say and only you can decide, in the end.  But that's just my two bits.
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Autumn

Not wanting a beard doesn't make you not want to be a man, either. A lot of female to males see growing a beard as really significant (and granted - for someone fighting for a congruent body, it is a big deal), however, there are lots of men who are clean shaven. Partners often prefer it that way, and it is a more clean feeling.
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miniangel

Quote from: kesenaie on June 21, 2009, 07:46:03 AM

I don't think words can describe how much I hate it, but there's girls who hate it as well. Sure, it's a way to make sure the body is healthy, but I really can't stand myself at that time. I get pissed off at everyone and I just feel like stabbing myself and taking it out (the womb I think it is called?). I really can't describe it, but my mood is just generally very bad and I feel incredibly self concious and worried etc. I'm also really agressive then and I react all sorts of frustrations on myself, just because I'm angry for no reason and can't calm down because there is no reason or cause...


There are lots of women who are perfectly happy being female yet who feel much the same as you when their period comes around. Periods suck.  :(  I'm not discounting the importance of your feelings, just giving information.
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