or am I being naive?

I think it means it matters a lot less than it once did, which is not the same as it having been defeated. It's still there, in lots of different forms.  It's just that far fewer people see life in those terms.  I think the people who grew up in an integrated culture tend to see what once were 'other groups' more as individual persons and tend not to apply the stereotypes across the board, even when they end up meeting people who could well have been the model for the original stereotype. 

No, no and no. With centrist policy Obama has forgotten the liberal crassroot movement that working tirelessly to get him elected. In case I would be an American I would not vote for Obama in 2012. He should puss more bravely left-liberal politics.

QuoteI would not vote for Obama in 2012

Even if Palin was the other choice?

He was always 'liberal light' at best.  Both Hil and BO were centerist, first, last and always - which at any rate wasn't the question, which what about race, not political standing.

Um, what?  Did you not see this?   http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/syndication?id=50214782

Oh sure, and it's always going to exist to some degree, that's not the issue.

No. Racists will be racist no matter who is president. If anything it gives hate groups like the KKK more to complain about. Any failures of congress, senate and the military will be blamed on him because he is black.

The only real race barriers remaining are in the minds of the black people. A lot of them still seem to think that it's "selling out to the Man" to work a decent job or live in a "white" neighborhood. They want "their own" to stay in "the hood" where "their people is." Their continuing struggles stem completely from a combination of self-destructive pride and institutionalized self-pity. Yeah, Obama's presidency is a victory. It's not a victory over the white man, though. It's a victory over the self-destruction that the black people have spent over a century imposing upon themselves. Black people are not doomed to forever play second-fiddle in a white man's world. They ascend right to the top. They can become the CEOs of corrupted, multi-national corporations. They can feed their kids on a diet of manga and sushi and send them off to good colleges. Their lives are filled with opportunity, not just meager table scraps thrown to them by a white boss. That's the real change that Barack Obama brings.

QuoteThe only real race barriers remaining are in the minds of the black people

You have got to be kidding me.

The only real race barriers remaining are in the minds of the black people. A lot of them still seem to think that it's "selling out to the Man" to work a decent job or live in a "white" neighborhood. They want "their own" to stay in "the hood" where "their people is." Their continuing struggles stem completely from a combination of self-destructive pride and institutionalized self-pity. Yeah, Obama's presidency is a victory. It's not a victory over the white man, though. It's a victory over the self-destruction that the black people have spent over a century imposing upon themselves.

Apparently racism is not dead. Odd, none of the people of all stripes I work with feel that way, not black or white, not Hispanic or gay.  Some people may well feel that way on an individual level, I doubt it's a society wide deal.

Quote from: Mister on July 09, 2009, 12:00:21 PMYou have got to be kidding me.

Nope.

Quote from: Sigma Prime on July 09, 2009, 12:06:49 PM
Nope.

Let me guess..  you're white.

'Cause you be axeing the homies when you be chillin' in the hood right?

Quote from: tekla on July 09, 2009, 12:10:02 PM
'Cause you be axeing the homies when you be chillin' in the hood right?

Nope, but an axe would probably be a good personal defense system.

I can't see how a person of color could possibly think that racism is dead.

I don't think that anyone was thinking or saying that - the election of Obama has signed a shift, but not a 100% change, racism has diminished over the last 4 decades, but has not gone away.

And that remark was not directed to you Mister, but at SP.

Quote from: tekla on July 09, 2009, 12:14:50 PM
I don't think that anyone was thinking or saying that - the election of Obama has signed a shift, but not a 100% change, racism has diminished over the last 4 decades, but has not gone away.

And that remark was not directed to you Mister, but at SP.

Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for the axe idea anyway. 

Quote from: tekla on July 09, 2009, 12:01:46 PMApparently racism is not dead.

Go stuff your head up Al Sharpton's butt. I voted for Barack Obama in the primary specifically because he figuratively gave that stupid, annoying blockhead the finger. I would have voted for him anyway because I agree with his politics, but that particular maneuver provoked me to surge out on the first day and cast my ballot for him.

QuoteOdd, none of the people of all stripes I work with feel that way,

Personally, I think that you are lying through your teeth.

Personally, I think you're living a very limited existence if you think the only oppression of black people is coming from within.

Quote from: Mister on July 09, 2009, 12:07:44 PM
Let me guess..  you're white.

Yes, I am.