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So I Discover I'm Going To Be A Lesbian

Started by Dana_W, July 14, 2009, 12:15:03 AM

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Dana_W

I had the strangest piece of good news in the past week or so, but I find it has shaken me all the same.

My spouse of over seventeen years has been supportive of my transition so far... to a point. The point was that she didn't know if she could handle staying together post-transition. No hard feelings, but she wasn't sure she wanted to be seen - let alone act - as a lesbian. Having heard her state that more than once I sort of resigned myself to our eventual breakup. I was, of course, grateful for the support. But I figured there was a time limit on how long we'd be together.

Well recently my spouse hit me with a shocker. She decided she would prefer to stay together post-transition, even if that means she'll be seen as a lesbian. And she wants to learn how to rekindle our intimacy as well.

Color me flabbergasted.

But the weird thing is... I'm pretty sure if it wasn't for this opportunity, post-op I'd be looking for a relationship with a guy. I might find a girl instead - I'm pretty happily bi in bed. But I would have been looking primarily for a guy for a long term relationship. And I don't think that makes me much of a lesbian.

Mind you, I'm not an idiot. Being able to stay with someone I love so much and have already built a life with is fantastic news and I'm simply elated about it. Overall this is GOOD news, and I see it as such.

I'm just kind of confused realizing I'm having to adjust to this concept of being in a "lesbian relationship" myself. It's very strange. But I figure if there's anyone out there who might relate, this is a good place to look.
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Alyssa M.

That's wonderful. :)

I hope your wife can see you, despite your history, as the woman you are, and can find you attractive, and be comfortable in that role.

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I just want to clear something up, because you kind of pushed a button with how you phrased that . Please forgive me if this sounds harsh -- I don't mean to direct it at you, but at the many people who have slighted a number of my friends:

If you're bi, you're bi, no matter what is happening under your sheets or whom it is or isn't happening with!!!!!!

(ahem ... sorry about that ... I know a number of bi people who are dismissed as straight just because they happen to be dating someone of the opposite sex/gender. A lot of gay men and lesbians get pissed off at bi people for being "faux-gay" or something like that, not queer enough, or whatever, and it's really dumb. I don't get why people can't just be bi, and why people can't get that.)

So maybe you just meant you'll be in a lesbian relationship. Sorry to nit-pick over my pet peeves. ;)

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As to dealing with the implications, I'm not in a relationship, and being the "man" in a relationship has always made me really uncomfrotable. But I'm sort of intimidated, I must admit, by the idea of being in a lesbian relationship. For me, it's mainly because a lot of the lesbians I've known have been out for a long time, and are well-established in a community, and I've just been on the periphery if not completely excluded. But I feel more at ease among lesbians than with any other group (with respect to ssexuality). There's something about the more subversive girliness along with a completely different kind of competitiveness than among men or straight women that just fits better. And the inherent equality in lesbian relationships is much more the kind of relationship I want to have -- not that there is ever complete equality, but that there's no a priori power gradient as there is in straight relationships. Like I said, I don't want to be "the man" in any relationship.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Dana_W

Alyssa,

I take your point. I was just trying to be cute with words, not make any grand definitional statements about bisexuality.

Frankly, I AM bisexual. But I'm also monogamous when in a relationship. So I will apparently not be acting on any bisexual urges pre or post transition.

Though... gosh one would think I should get to check a bisexual box in there somewhere along the way. I DO go from an opposite sex to a same sex thingy after all. But I'll bet that doesn't satisfy a lot of people.
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Alyssa M.

Yeah, I figured you didn't really mean to propound that weird binary sexuality thing, since you are bi, after all. I can be fairly brash, but I really don't mean anything by it.

I didn't think of it like you put it, that you lose the possibility of having a relationship with a guy, and so maybe that feels limiting to the rance of experiences you might want to have. I know that a lot of the bisexual people I've met tend to be frustrated that they so rarely end up in same-sex relationships. So it is kind of ironic that you end up never getting to have a relationship with someone of the opposite gender. :-\
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Tammy Hope

oh my, that would be a nice outcome for me. My wife too has adamantly ruled out same sex intimacy.

The challenge I have been preparing for is whether we can be platonic girlfriends after the fact (assuming there is an "after") and potentially date men (both of us) or respect the former relationship enough to not date.

but I can so relate to your situation because it would be a tremendous relief to get that kind of response from my wife when the time comes. The only thing that I see as a "downside" to transitioning is the feeling I've "left her" and she doesn't deserve that.

(of course, if I was totally honest, I think the VERY best case was to have us be intimate with each other AND date men too but that's pretty theoretical)
Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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Dana_W

Alyssa,

The irony isn't lost on me. Frankly as long as I don't have to pretend to be a man in bed anymore I'll find plenty to be happy about. But yeah, I guess I was sort of readying myself for that new experience of being with a guy. And finding out that isn't going to happen has me wondering what I might be missing. Maybe the spouse can do some roleplay the man role with me sometime. It's definitely her turn. ;)

Laura,

I understand very well. That lack of intimacy was ultimately going to drive us apart, but it's been going on like that for years. Platonic girlfriends is just not the same thing as a married partner, and the difference was really getting to me. I wish you and your partner the best of luck however things turn out!

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Kara

I would personally like to have someone who is so dedicated to me as a person that they are willing to stay with me no matter what gender I am or no matter what's going on in my life. That's real love right there. You've got a good thing going and now I'm envious.  :laugh:
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Ms Jessica

I have only a little experience with this.  My wife is sticking around, and it seems like she's doing so for the long term (pretty sure I've shared that news elsewhere, but I'm happy about it), but it also hasn't been that long.  We had kind of a rocky start at the beginning of transition, but things have gotten a lot better over the last 6 months.   

A little background:
As a guy, I was always very straight.  As a girl, I feel like I could go either way.  Fantasies involve either guys or girls, or both.  No big deal, but I guess I identify as maybe bi-curious (?) or something.  I never thought of myself as gay or bi previously.  I find the idea of men interesting, but I'm married, and not interested in stepping out on my wife. 

So, since we decided to stay together, we had to learn how to deal with the lesbian thing.  We're not terribly physical or affectionate in public, so most places we go, I don't think it's a problem.  Our neighbors at this point think we're lesbians, as they haven't (as far as I can tell) realized I'm trans.  I was already full time (more or less) by the time we moved, so they've never seen me as a guy.  I don't care so much about being seen as a lesbian by others, I think being trans probably carries more of a stigma with it at this point in history. 

Regarding intimacy, I checked out a lesbian sex book by Jude Schell from Barnes and Noble.  It's a tiny book, and not all the positions are very practical (from a pre-op perspective) but I've always liked being touched like a girl than a guy, and the book provided a way for me to make that preference known to my wife.  It also afforded us an opportunity to try some things that we might not otherwise have thought to try, such as positions that incorporate breast play for both girls. 
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daisybelle

Reminds me of this joke I heard yesterday....

QuoteYa think you have lived to be 71 and know who you
are, then along comes someone and blows it all to the dickens...

An old cowboy sat down at the Starbucks and ordered a cup of
coffee.

As he sat sipping his coffee, a young woman sat down next to
him. She turned to the cowboy and asked, 'Are you a real
cowboy?'

He replied, 'Well, I've spent my whole life breaking colts,
working cows, going to rodeos, fixing fences, pulling calves,
bailing hay, doctoring calves, cleaning my barn, fixing flats,
working on tractors, and feeding my dogs, so I guess I am a
cowboy.'

She said, 'I'm a lesbian. I spend my whole day thinking about
naked women. As soon as I get up in the morning, I think about
nakedwomen. When I shower, I think about naked women. When I
watch TV, I think about naked women. It seems everything makes
me think of naked women.'

The two sat sipping in silence. A little while later, a man sat
down on the other side of the old cowboy and asked, 'Are you a
real cowboy?'

He replied, 'I always thought I was, but I just found out I'm a
lesbian..




Congrats on her wanting to stay with you.

Daisy
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Galantha

Congrats!  Sounds like everything is going to work out well for you.

-- Galantha
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Rachel

I guess I can understand your confusion when you are committed to one thing, and then it all changes outside of your control.  But change that you didn't implement can be good, and in this case sounds wonderful.  I wish you and your wife the best of luck, you have a hard road ahead of you but it sounds fulfilling to me.  You will have worked through the worst possible things that can happen to a relationship and prevailed, that's love there.

-tips her glass towards you in a symbol of cheers-

life and love to you
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FallenLeaves

Quote from: Laura Hope on July 14, 2009, 02:07:22 AM
(of course, if I was totally honest, I think the VERY best case was to have us be intimate with each other AND date men too but that's pretty theoretical)
I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but it is just my opinion.

That's the route my GF of 2 years and I have taken. I always was only interested in women but since starting HRT I've felt an increased attraction to men. We are very close and trust each other very much and we both are comfortable with sexual experiences. Essentially, we can both do whatever we want as long as we tell each other about it and talk about it. She'd never been with a girl (well, one with a vagina anyways), I'd never been with a guy. We just found each other way too young, she was only 18 and we were both virgins. Rather than lose her down the road (I've seen how ->-bleeped-<-ed up people who only have sex with one person their whole life can turn out, like her mom) we opted to experiment. People NEED time to find themselves. No one knows who they REALLY are at 18.

We are just way too sexual of people to limit ourselves in that way. Sex 4+ times a day, every day was pretty common last summer. We both considered ourselves bisexual and we found some very attractive people to play with us. While I still want to and will try vaginal sex, we both have come to the conclusions that we are lesbians. While there is an attraction to guys there, it just doesn't do it for me like a female does. And Britt just loves vagina =)

Who says sex is anything other than sex anyways? Religion? The government? Psh. I just don't get why people can't have sex with other people and still be together (aside from the obvious that the government wants us in families to keep the economy going). If a person truly cares about you and is truly dedicated, why does it even matter? I know it's a lot easier said than done, especially for us younger people with the way the world is today compared to 20 or 30 years ago.

I do plan on settling down, it just won't be for awhile. It's so sad to me so many people can go through life and never even have those experiences, and that so many people won't even ever figure out their true sexuality, simply because they are too scared to go against the norms and just take the easy opposite sex route. One of my roommates is a closet lesbian without a doubt. I see them everywhere around here, people are just too damn conservative. I grew up in an almost exclusively Mormon community, and the damage it does to the few people that actually aren't total idiots in the town is pretty astonishing. They are all so brainwashed that it is actually pretty scary. Even my lesbian girlfriend almost ended up marrying a Mormon there. One day religion will just finally die and maybe, just maybe then the world can finally progress past bull->-bleeped-<- like ghosts, race, sex, and sexuality. When you die you die and there's nothing and the sooner people accept that the sooner they can actually start living. Maybe religion should just become like Santa Claus, something you tell your kids about when they ask where they go when they die, but something you tell them isn't actually real come 10 or 11.

Anyways, most people here probably won't agree with that, although some of the people from my generation just might. That gives me hope. We live in a pretty crazy time with the internet revolution and technology progressing the way it is. By far the fastest changing time of any period in the world, and I say change can't come soon enough.

Also, congrats on your wife accepting you. That seems the opposite rather than the norm for people your age. Good for her being more open-minded than most. I know sooo many more girls would be gay or bi if there just weren't any stigmas. Just look at how many TS girls compared to GG girls are bi or gay. I think that says a lot right there. Stop thinking inside the box and guess what? You just might discover a little about yourself.
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Dana_W

Great conversation everyone! The congratulations and well wishes are much appreciated. But I'm really enjoying reading how these sort of themes fit into your own transitions / relationships. I knew if this would make sense anywhere, it would be here. I'm glad to see I wasn't let down.  :)

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Ms Bev

I always knew I was lesbian, even before transitioning.  I even imagined it.
So......the one who is surprised is usually the non-transitioning spouse who decides the arrangement is...........suddenly somehow appealing.
I wish we all had that relationship. 


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1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
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