Quote from: Mister on July 23, 2009, 01:01:56 PM
I'd imagine.  I'll stick with the dog.

Dogs do tend to be somewhat less high-maintenance! Crates, simple one-word commands, toilet training much easier and pouring kibble into a bowl a couple of times per day and having them eat it all up with no complaints as to consistency, etc as well as the unconditional devotion and love they express are much easier to handle than the back-talk, doing of things that get on one's last nerve, ingratitude and whining and the ever-present idea that one is an idiot until the child gets to be about 27 and finds suddenly that Mom or Dad has gotten everso much smarter than they used to be can be all pretty trying things.

Learning disabilities, ADD, body-image problems, spats with friends, fights, filthy clothes that are perceived as being someone else's chore to clean, dirty diapers (if you're lucky) food-fights, bickering (constant among sibs) --- I suppose that's enough.

No, raising a child, let alone a couple or few, is no easy task and not one that will appeal past those first moments of carrying one in one's tummy, watching it's birth (and those things have huge downsides as well) or cuddling it after it's birth. Those moments are usually just that. The rest of the time it's hard and thankless work. 

It's odd that this thread has taken this tack.  My 35 year-old daughter is going through a divorce that is getting ugly.  I am discovering that it isn't just him that is making it that way.  I could strangle her for being so stupid and continuing to be stupid, but she's my daughter and I love her and will try to help her resolve this so she can get on with her life.

Would I have transitioned 40 years ago if I could have?  Even with all the heartache the answer is no, because then I wouldn't have my daughter.

We aren't always rational beings.

- Kate

Hello out there. Im Lee andive never done this nor have i been on his page b4. not sure how to use it either.i am a femal that live the life of a male and is haing problems right now and i would like to speak to someone.

Just squeezing in my two cents on the whole maternal discussion...

I don't think that people who have no desire to bear children and raise them are necessarily male. For instance I have a girlfriend who is Bisexual and very much a female in every sense. Also has a strong preference towards guys. She does not want children at all and doesn't want much to do with them as far as raising family goes.

On the other had I have found the idea of impregnating a woman arousing, and protecting a family very attractive. I would desire my genealogy to continue if it was possible. But I would never want to be pregnant and I fear I would neglect my duties as a parent if I did end up having kids. Actually raising children does not interest me in the slightest.

I think feelings like mine are more paternal in nature and may be a stronger queue on whether or not you have a male psyche.   

Quote from: thestory on July 24, 2009, 09:48:02 PM
Just squeezing in my two cents on the whole maternal discussion...

I don't think that people who have no desire to bear children and raise them are necessarily male. For instance I have a girlfriend who is Bisexual and very much a female in every sense. Also has a strong preference towards guys.

Interesting, you're lucky to have her because given you're intro, you don't seem to have transitioned far yet.  Her "strong preference" seems not to have been a problem.

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On the other had I have found the idea of impregnating a woman arousing, and protecting a family very attractive. I would desire my genealogy to continue if it was possible. But I would never want to be pregnant and I fear I would neglect my duties as a parent if I did end up having kids. Actually raising children does not interest me in the slightest.

I think feelings like mine are more paternal in nature and may be a stronger queue on whether or not you have a male psyche.

None of this sounds natural to me...you're "aroused" by the idea of "impregnating a woman"?  Are you on the level or is English not your first language?  I don't recall ever hearing a natal male, natal female, MtF or FtM talk quite that way.

Quote from: omeara on July 24, 2009, 07:11:37 PM
Hello out there. Im Lee andive never done this nor have i been on his page b4. not sure how to use it either.i am a femal that live the life of a male and is haing problems right now and i would like to speak to someone.

You managed to register and navigate here and post on the forum...but you don't know how to use it?  Hmm...yes, you "is haing problems" [sic].

General query to the ether: whatever happened to the FFToday trolling muppets I wonder?

Quote from: finewine on July 25, 2009, 01:04:14 AM
Interesting, you're lucky to have her because given you're intro, you don't seem to have transitioned far yet.  Her "strong preference" seems not to have been a problem.

I am lucky. Her being with me has ended up as quite the surprise.

Quote from: finewine on July 25, 2009, 01:04:14 AM
None of this sounds natural to me...you're "aroused" by the idea of "impregnating a woman"?  Are you on the level or is English not your first language?  I don't recall ever hearing a natal male, natal female, MtF or FtM talk quite that way.

English is my first language.

That portion is more of a personal feeling and perhaps 'aroused' is too strong a word. My apologies.
I was simply making a point, that instead of looking at what you don't feel ( The need to have children for instance. ) Look at what you are feeling and see if those conflict with your biological gender. Of course everyone is different and looking at how you feel about one topic isn't exactly the best way to go about discovering who you are. Those feelings could just be one more piece to the puzzle.

Since we're talking about kids, I know of quite a few married couples that never intend to have kids. In most cases it seems that the woman has no desire for them and they found a guy with the same view (riven_one's free translation of the status of friend's relationships).

So it is dangerous to fish in the "to be a real woman you must have maternal feelings" pond. A lot of GGs don't seem have these feelings.

Quote from: riven_one on July 26, 2009, 01:23:25 AM
Since we're talking about kids, I know of quite a few married couples that never intend to have kids. In most cases it seems that the woman has no desire for them and they found a guy with the same view (riven_one's free translation of the status of friend's relationships).

So it is dangerous to fish in the "to be a real woman you must have maternal feelings" pond. A lot of GGs don't seem have these feelings.

Maternal instincts does not translate to having a desire to raise children.  It's more of a subconscious, sympathetic urge towards young.