QuoteDidn't worry about it because I had no control over it.

I was chosen also but I did not let them take me. You do have control you just have to want to take charge of it. Letting things happen to you will end in unhappiness.

We may well be itching for a fight (and when exactly since before 1895 or so haven't we?) but we're not going to do it with people who don't want to be there.

Quote from: tekla on July 25, 2009, 08:22:18 PM
We may well be itching for a fight (and when exactly since before 1895 or so haven't we?) but we're not going to do it with people who don't want to be there.

you mean like about 1850 or so - mexican/american conflict resulting in the theft of half of all mexico.

Handing over some cash for something you stole doesn't count as a purchase.

Depends on who you ask.

Manifest Destiny...

Quote from: Rebis on July 25, 2009, 09:16:53 PM
you mean like about 1850 or so - mexican/american conflict resulting in the theft of half of all mexico.

Handing over some cash for something you stole doesn't count as a purchase.

yeah, but we waited until after they stole it from Spain, who stole it from the Aztecs, who stole it from the Mayans, and so on, and so on.

I had a thought that apparently Clueless Joe didn't consider.

Assuming females are drafted in equal number with males, the following problems will arise:

-Females tend to get injured more in basic training. This will be especially true in the Marine Corps, where women have to go through the same training as men.
-There will probably be more sexual harassment/misconduct issues arising from this. I'm not sure how you would remove the temptation...have an all-female unit? Sounds like reverse discrimination to me.
-There should also be a lot of lesbians joining up. Obviously, the military doesn't want gays because their leadership has been brainwashed into right-wing nonsense.
-Forcing women to serve in the military also raises issues of fairness. I'm sure there are a lot of women out there who wouldn't be prepared/willing to serve and wouldn't be physically fit, so the chance of a washout increases.
-Over time, more women in the military means more female leadership. I'm not sure if the military would feel comfortable having female generals and such running around.

Forcible service in the military in 2009 would be a public relations nightmare...

Females are already generals and none of the problems you state are stopping them from doing combat missions.  There is enough incentive to keep a good volunteer  military for a long time females included. Males that do not want to be drafted cause just as much problems.

Quote from: lisagurl on July 31, 2009, 08:08:06 PM
Females are already generals and none of the problems you state are stopping them from doing combat missions.  There is enough incentive to keep a good volunteer  military for a long time females included. Males that do not want to be drafted cause just as much problems.

If you look at it closely, you'll see that female leadership seems like a "token"- as in, things that happen which are nice to talk about.

In terms of the ratio of male leaders to female leaders, it's still a man's military. The draft would change that...or raise complaints that women are volunteers while men are not...which opens a completely different can of worms.

Here's an example of what I mean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_four-star_officers

Also, as an aside, I've never heard of a woman serving on the Joint Chiefs, have you?

QuoteAlso, as an aside, I've never heard of a woman serving on the Joint Chiefs, have you?

Has a women become president yet? It is not a lack of ability but a corrupt system that discriminates.

Quote from: lisagurl on August 01, 2009, 09:02:16 AM
Has a women become president yet? It is not a lack of ability but a corrupt system that discriminates.

I firmly believe that Hillary would have won if Obama hadn't run.

I am thankful that Hillary did not win.

As to the Draft, not in the near future.

Quote from: lisagurl on August 01, 2009, 09:02:16 AM
Has a women become president yet? It is not a lack of ability but a corrupt system that discriminates.

Iceland had a woman president for years and currently has a lesbian as prime minister.

Quote from: Kara on August 01, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
I firmly believe that Hillary would have won if Obama hadn't run.

I'm glad she didn't, nothing personal but I think she's crazy.

Quote from: Miniar on August 01, 2009, 02:09:24 PM
Iceland had a woman president for years and currently has a lesbian as prime minister.

Probably won't see that in the states for many more years, as lisa pointed out, we're a system that discriminates too much.

As far as the draft is concerned, I've got a list of reasons they don't want me, so if it does happen I'm all set.

I firmly believe that Hillary would have won if Obama hadn't run.

No doubt that the R's handed it to the D's for a change, Hill would have done it, had she not been on record voting for the war, within the party, that was the deal, not her sex.