Quote from: ginger39 on July 23, 2009, 10:07:01 PM
Not sure what you are driving at

check bolded text in my 1st reply.

Quote from: Mister on July 23, 2009, 10:09:32 PM
check bolded text in my 1st reply.

I guess I am still not following you. I saw the bolded text but thought it was obvious that Chloe didn't have any of those situations, but when I read further with more up to date materials (my gentics book is so 90's) it was stated that many people are born XXY and are perfectly normal. Only people actually with Klinefelters exhibit those characteristics. Chloe obviously does not have Klinefelters but may in fact be XXY. In essence, she may have been told something incorrect by her doctor. That is totally possible. When my wife lost eyesight in one of her eyes her doctors seemed to be pretty inept to me. Even the big time specialists from Dallas. I also want to retract a statement earlier that any child would have to be a boy because XXX girls do exist.

I think what Mister is driving at is where you said:

As I see it Chloe doesn't exhibit any of these symptoms and it can be easily proven because Chloe obviously wasn't sterile and fathered 2 beautiful children who are both obviously normal. I just don't see how he could ever father any children if her story was true.

He was implying that you missed a few of the indicators that Chloe does exhibit, those being mental impairment and mentally retarded. Any one that would think this story about a bee sting causing all this to be believable must be lacking in the mental aptitude department.

Well, I watched it finally last night and, laying aside the bee story which I simply don't have the scientific knowledge to comment on with any sort of certainty, the only other thing I found troubling was the money issue.

The whole business about a little doubt when she met the old girlfriend and such...I don't think momentary doubt is a foreign thing to us. In fact, most of the piece I really related to. Having a wife who wants to stay together...who still "hear's the voice" of the man she married...but who can't handle "being a lesbian" and etc - all that sounds real familiar (and thus authentic) to me

But the money thing troubles me a lot. I don't see how I could manage to spend 70K and NOT at a minimum let my wife know what I was doing. MAYBE I'd be "selfish" enough to insist I HAD to do it but I wouldn't do it by deception.

Quote from: ginger39 on July 23, 2009, 09:46:46 PMNow, upon further research I find that it not only is theoretically possible for XXY males to father children, obviously they would only be able to father boys, but that the major impediment is low sperm counts which can be treated to some extent. Also, the vast majority of XXY males never develop the syndrome. They are normal except for being slightly behind in language areas. So now I am changing my mind a bit. It is not likely but may be possible as both kids are boys. If one would have been a girl then it would have been 100% impossible.

In the story the narrator said the bee sting kicked in the Kleinfelter's and caused an increase in estrogen production which led to Chloe exhibiting female traits. Kleinfelter's causes a reduced testosterone production not an increased estrogen production. Later in the show the narrator said Chloe has to take large doses of female hormones. What happened to the mysterious estrogen production that, among other things, caused "Ted's" breasts to grow?

Yes, your research lends some credibility to the possibility of Chloe being XXY but all the other facts presented in the show lead to an overwhelmingly strong case that she just made this whole thing up so she didn't have to accept responsibility for choosing to transition.

That's the end of my closing argument to the jury. Would Vince Bugliosi approve? 

Julie

Quote from: Julie Marie on July 24, 2009, 12:17:12 PM
In the story the narrator said the bee sting kicked in the Kleinfelter's and caused an increase in estrogen production which led to Chloe exhibiting female traits. Kleinfelter's causes a reduced testosterone production not an increased estrogen production. Later in the show the narrator said Chloe has to take large doses of female hormones. What happened to the mysterious estrogen production that, among other things, caused "Ted's" breasts to grow?

Yes, your research lends some credibility to the possibility of Chloe being XXY but all the other facts presented in the show lead to an overwhelmingly strong case that she just made this whole thing up so she didn't have to accept responsibility for choosing to transition.

That's the end of my closing argument to the jury. Would Vince Bugliosi approve? 

Julie

Julie, I totally agree that Chloe's story is bogus and puts us all in a bad light. We all know that being Trans is not really a choice, but if it were what would be wrong with that? Chloe had no need to justify or qualify changing her body parts. There are only 3 people that she owe's anything at all to in my opinion.

Chloe had no need to justify or qualify changing her body parts.

The entire point of such shows it to play 'justify your existence' and you should not play the game if you can't do it.  However, most of us would answer that question with a middle finger - hence, we don't get on those shows.

I def heard alarm bells when I thought about the reality of the bee story. As someone who is a "variant" (I have reifenstein's syndrome) I certainly was not able to father children lord knows I tried. And there were a lot of other things I wasn't able to do. But I still took transition as its own thing, made my decision, and took responsibility for it. Chloe is publically TS, and works a site - pink something - so... I generally notice that people who are TS professionally are a bit weird. For me, the last thing I would want is the attention. I would never deny my past but I think the more normal experience is to keep it a bit under the cuff until needed.