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Broad Shoulders and Narrow Hips!

Started by Myself, July 26, 2009, 12:53:00 PM

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Myself

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maidenprincess

Every woman has a different body shape compared to the next.  I have sort of broad shoulders and my torso just goes straight down with no real curves, yet I'm completely fine out in public.  I think this body shape looks athletic and modelesque.  Be proud!
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Paulina

I think they all have a transsexual body type. (except the third one; but her face looks manly at that pose)
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Myself

Quote from: Paulina on July 27, 2009, 05:19:31 AM
I think they all have a transsexual body type. (except the third one; but her face looks manly at that pose)

They have a normal body, like everyone here.
Some women are as wide as the widest men ever seen, some men are as narrow as the narrowest females ever seen.
Especially nowdays the world is getting wider and wider.

Look online at body shapes and clothings for every shape, for women, you see so many shapes possible that it is all normal.

I am trying to say people shouldn't say the body isn't feminine or doesn't fit some numerical statistics which are rarely ever true, the body is normal and have things people might be unhappy about like any other female.

My mother has big shoulders, my grandma as bigger hands than most women I know, I think maybe my older brothers have smaller hands than her.

My electrologist I think is as wide as my mother's boyfriend (WHO IS BIG!), not to mention tall too.

The woman in the first picture looks amazing and has broad shoulders.

If their body is similar to people here and they are born as normal healthy women, then their and the people's here bodies can't be called a transsexual body.

It is rare for a woman not to have anything in her body to hate, it is rare for a man not to have any feminine feature.

Sometimes it might feel you have too many features but most of them are actually alter-able, for example dieting and corseting can do a lot a straight body type.

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Natasha

broad shoulders? narrow hips? really? are your eyes ok?

i disagree.  i see [female] shoulder to hip and waist to hip ratios on all those women.
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Nero

got to agree with Natasha. the only one possibly with broad like shoulders is the second one and she still has well defined hips. and Tyra Banks - narrow hips?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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ginger39

Goodness I love the way each of those women look. Wish I looked like them!  ;)

This thread got me to thinking. Really I wasn't concerned about the shoulder to hip ratio 'cause so much variability in women anyway. But I did take some measurements anyway. Right now I'm 175 lbs which is way down from this time last year. At 5'11 1/2"  my shoulders are 19" across while my hips measure 15 1/2" across. I don't think that is so bad though my shoulders have always been wide. I still got some weight to lose but the hips aren't going anywhere. Shoulders maybe. If we do the circumference thing my hips are 37 1/2" around. What worries me is my large rib cage. Can somebody please enlighten me on the proper shoulder to hip ratio? I can easily see 1" dropping off of my shoulders. Once I get on HRT how much width can I expect on the hips? If I could get an inch or even 2 then I could be pretty close to a 1:1 ratio.
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Myself

If you have muscles and fat you can expect both the shoulders and rib cage measurement to get a bit smaller as you start HRT and lose fat, maybe even quite a bit depends how much muscle and how much fat.

The rib cage isn't just bones, it is surrounded by fat and muscles also hold it up further away.

There is also the possibility of corseting to shape the cartilage which holds the ribs and reduce the rib cage round measurement by some inches.

As for hips, HRT should give the tenancy to gather fat there, you can help it a bit more with corseting, reduce the fat going to the waist and move it more to the hips and a bit above.
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Julie Marie

No one who transitions past their 20's has a snowball's chance of looking like any of those women, unless there's some genetic thing in the family.  Asians are slight of build and can pass off the slender body but those girls in the pics definitely have female hips.  That's bone structure my friends and it needs to be developed starting at puberty or you have to win the genetic lottery.

Sorry, but themz how my eyes seez them.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Paulina

^ I noticed a lot of older transsexuals and they look like perfect females...

Even for a natural female to look like that though is a lottery ticket.... I think these are unrealistic expectations.







Those are better expectations. (second one has amazing legs though)
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Paulina on July 27, 2009, 05:19:31 AM
I think they all have a transsexual body type. (except the third one; but her face looks manly at that pose)

I don't think so somehow.

Most male to female transsexuals have this problem of a bigger upper body and a smaller lower body which is a male body type. It is extreamely hard to reverse this situation and if anyone knows how to do it please let me know with full details and medication / surgery?
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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Myself

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on July 28, 2009, 04:57:08 AM
I don't think so somehow.

Most male to female transsexuals have this problem of a bigger upper body and a smaller lower body which is a male body type. It is extreamely hard to reverse this situation and if anyone knows how to do it please let me know with full details and medication / surgery?

There are hips transplants which apparently are getting more common towards women too.
Fat injections.

Maybe Relaxin? the hormone in pregnancy which causes the pubic bones to widen.
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Myself on July 28, 2009, 05:40:30 AM
There are hips transplants which apparently are getting more common towards women too.
Fat injections.

Maybe Relaxin? the hormone in pregnancy which causes the pubic bones to widen.

I know they do hip and buttock implants in places like Brazil but I was looking for a more organic approach. The implants from what I've seen do not work well and it usually leads to problems. Unless you get your pelvis cut in two and then widened with pins I can't see it happening or a surgeon to do an operation like that. I've been on HRT for many years and that hasn't had any effect of my fat re-distribution but there must be an answer out there somewhere?
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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Myself

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on July 28, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
I know they do hip and buttock implants in places like Brazil but I was looking for a more organic approach. The implants from what I've seen do not work well and it usually leads to problems. Unless you get your pelvis cut in two and then widened with pins I can't see it happening or a surgeon to do an operation like that. I've been on HRT for many years and that hasn't had any effect of my fat re-distribution but there must be an answer out there somewhere?

http://www.cosmeticsurg.net/blog/2007/06/26/solving-the-problem-of-narrow-hips-injecting-fat-into-the-hips/

http://www.torontofatinjection.ca/fat-injection-buttocks.php

Among many others!
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Myself on July 28, 2009, 08:40:59 AM
http://www.cosmeticsurg.net/blog/2007/06/26/solving-the-problem-of-narrow-hips-injecting-fat-into-the-hips/

http://www.torontofatinjection.ca/fat-injection-buttocks.php

Among many others!

These definitely do not work and the fat injections usually do not stay in the area you want them to. People end up with all kinds of problems with them and it's not an area I want to go down.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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Myself

Actually fat injections can be permanent, it all depends on the technique and the person who does them.

You need to keep the fat alive so it won't be absorbed by the body, old techniques don't deal with that and inject dead fat which is slowly absorbed by the body just like some implants.

Post Merge: July 28, 2009, 09:09:22 AM

http://cosmeticsurgerytoday.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/stem-cells-used-for-breast-enlargement/

http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Thailand-Breast-Surgery-s-Natural-Option-Using-Stem-Cells/662997

I remember finding the link for the japanese clinic once but I am not on my own computer and can't find it at the moment.

You could ask these clinics and see if they'd do the same for the hips!

There is still sillicone
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ginger39

Quote from: Myself on July 27, 2009, 11:16:51 PM
If you have muscles and fat you can expect both the shoulders and rib cage measurement to get a bit smaller as you start HRT and lose fat, maybe even quite a bit depends how much muscle and how much fat.

The rib cage isn't just bones, it is surrounded by fat and muscles also hold it up further away.

There is also the possibility of corseting to shape the cartilage which holds the ribs and reduce the rib cage round measurement by some inches.

As for hips, HRT should give the tenancy to gather fat there, you can help it a bit more with corseting, reduce the fat going to the waist and move it more to the hips and a bit above.

Thanks for the advice. I have been thinking about getting a corset. I've just read horror stories about them on this board though. I also think that it isn't all about fat though that is a big part of it. I've been doing yoga during my weight loss in an attempt to build my glutes and hips and I think it has worked some. But I do think Julie is right in that your bone structure is your bone structure. I don't see the need for silicone implants or surgery. Too much surgery sounds like an ill conceived idea.
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Julie Marie

Reputable surgeons today won't touch a lot of the ideas posted above.  Every one I've talked to says about 50% of the fat or more will be absorbed by the body within a year after the injections. 

Hip implants are very invasive and the recovery can be extremely painful.  Then you have to hope everything was placed properly and the implant is in the right proportion.  There's not a lot of surgeons doing this right now because it is so invasive.

I've heard of the bottom rib being removed to help create a smaller waist and a toe being removed to create a more slender foot.  People have gone to extremes to appear more female. 

And we don't even have to talk about vocal cord surgery!

The women above started their HRT at a very early age, and naturally.  Typically bones stop growing around the age of 25.  If you haven't had the hormonal assistance before then or aren't blessed with girly DNA, you're never going to look like that. 

Carolyn Cossey (Tula) is XXXY and had a body like the girls shown above without pre-puberty HRT.


So it can happen but the average XY is dreaming if she thinks she'll ever look like that. 

Just be happy with what you have and make the best of it.  It's a lot cheaper and will have less complications.

Julie

BTW, HRT won't reduce the bone structure to female-like proportions.  Bones don't shrink like that.  Once they've grown you have to wait for the aging process to break them down.
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Myself

the women above are XX, not XY :)

I seen women wider than me which don't look bad, then again I seen really tiny women too but they don't seem to be that common.

Bones are the hardest thing but the surface can be changed easily.. think skin deep.
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Matilda on July 28, 2009, 06:31:47 PM
I concur with Tasha as well.  However, if you are a "twiggy" (thank you sweetie ;D) or have been blessed with an ectomorphic (lollipop) body type since birth like some of us have, I'd say that you have a tremendous advantage over other people who are naturally big-boned & broad-shouldered.  Consequently, I wouldn't worry too much about it.  It is not like people are measuring your body ratios when you are grocery shopping, walking on the streets, or riding the train.... :P




I would say the best candidates are those with an endomophic bodyshape. They will have the right shape to start with and can build on that. Ectomorphic bobyshapes are just skinny without much shape or hips. Endomophic's usually have a big lower bodyshape, bigger butt and hips. But it depends if you want to look womanly (my objective) or look like a stick (like some models).
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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