No. Just under my muffin top. That's what I meant by "at the hip."

I knew that.
But there's no way you can fold it upwards so that it's not on the stomach?  I think I've heard of people doing that before.

Yea there is. You pretty much take the bottom and pull it above your chest. Pretty much fold the whole thing over. I personally don't like it that way, and can't wear it that way. Other people have done it and it works for them.

Quote from: Adrian on August 04, 2009, 07:40:16 PM
That Underworks binder sure is flattering on you, Jamie-o.  Does a great job.

However, what is the comfort of the double front compression shirt?

Thanks.  Though, to be fair, I believe I lost a few pounds between the bottom 3 pictures and the top picture.  In answer to the comfort question - my measurements landed right on the edge between the Large and the Medium.  (As I recall that's the Medium in the photo.)  The large is perfectly comfortable for wearing 12+ hours, including at my very physical job. (Lots of bending, stretching and lifting.)  The medium is fairly comfortable for a few hours, but by the end of a work day I'm really ready to get it off.  Also, the medium a major pain in the butt to get on unless I wear a slick shirt underneath, and because it's shorter it has more of a tendency to roll.  It does bind just a bit better, though.

OP: if you haven't seen it yet, there's another thread that discusses binders & has a lot of pictures that might be useful to you.  https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,41534.msg366044.html#msg366044

I can't comment on T-Kingdom binders as I've not tried them.  My review/pics of the Underworks double-front and muscle shirt is at the above link.

Very many thanks, Eryk.  That thread has some very good information for me.

Quote from: Adrian on August 04, 2009, 08:19:28 PM
So you could roll it up so it wasn't pressing against your stomach?  I don't know how I feel about that.

My Double Front Compression shirt is long enough to pull over my butt so it does roll up but not past my briefs. Wearing a belt would help control the rolling up too, but it usually doesn't bother me. I find it very comfortable, breathable and great compression.

I also have an Extreme Chest Concealer FTM chest binder from Underworks. It binds about the same but is hotter since it has a cotton overlay. It's too hot here in the summer to use it but will work great for colder climates and weather. Plus, if noticed, it looks like a white tank top under your sweaters/shirts which is totally acceptable for men.

I came across this thread and thought I'd share as well, for what it's worth.  Like Radar I have also tried the Double Front Compression shirt (Item 997) and Extreme Chest Concealer (Item 988) from Underworks.  I got the size small, 32-35.  I'm very happy with the Extreme Chest Concealer because it only binds the chest and not the stomach as well.  Like Eryk mentioned in the thread link that he posted earlier, the Double Front was too uncomfortable.  I like being able to breathe.  Plus I don't need my stomach to be bound, just the chest.  I find the Extreme Chest binder to be very comfortable - it sort of feels like I'm wearing a sports bra, except obviously my chest is much flatter and my dysphoria is lessened.  I can put it on the same way I'd put on a tank top.  I don't breathe noticeably differently either in normal conditions or when I'm lifting weights.  I haven't tried doing aerobic exercise with it though, because it'd be too hot, especially during the summer.  The best part about the binder - no more stupid bra lines showing on my back through my t-shirt!  Like Radar said, tank top lines are totally acceptable.

Oh, and by the way, when I measured myself according to Underworks' instructions, I was a 32.  Perhaps one reason the binder is comfortable is that I'm at the lower end of the size range (32-35).

i had the tritop from underworks and i was borderline between medium and large because of my chest size even though im a relatively small person, so i went with a medium.  it was relatively uncomfortable and between 7 months and 13 months of binding, it lost a LOT of elasticity where it ran across my freak bags.  i tried a friends large tritop and it was much more comfortable and bound better because it wasnt pulled so tight across my bags.

hi everyone, i'm going to buy a new binder within few days. i've had a t-kingdom model 1700 since nearly one year and its almost lost binding characterictic.
so i've read all post in this headline and finally decide to buy from underworks "Double Front Compression shirt". but i had a problem, i'm normally a small size guy (thin), but my chest size (84 cm) i suppose not fit small size because of my chest.
Can you help me if you have any idea?
Which size (size s or size m) am i going to buy and correctly fit me?

Personally, I'd go for the one that fits your chest, not your torso. If you get it too small, it's not going to work as well, probably hurt, be a pain to get on (or impossible), and wear out faster.

T-KINGDOM!!!!! I got underworks for my first binder and couldn't even put it on, I thought I was going to dislocate my shoulder or something. Then I found T-kingdom, I have the short one with the zipper at the front. Although I do get a little bit paranoid that if someone hugs me they might feel it under my t-shirt, but really they are just going to think I'm wearing a singlet. I think it has an awesome binding effect and it's comfortable as anything, doesn't restrict my breathing and when I look in the mirror I feel as confident as any other skinny flat chested boy.
I am kind of big in the chest area (I was a C for a while, I only weigh on average 55kg and I am 5"8, skinny as anything) so having a good binder is really important for me. You absolutely cannot tell there is a chest under my t-shirt, maybe from an angle it just looks like I have fit pecs. 

I was just wondering if anyone has had a extreme chest concealer and if so how did it work. I have been binding for 6 yrs. Have tried the double compression vest and the frog bra, but neither really work for me that well( I am 5'4, 160lbs, and roughly my chest size is a C) I am currently saving up for surgery, but until then, I have to find something that works. All feedback is appreciated.

I haven't used it. I'm about an F, 170lbs and the double compression vest works for me if I wear baggy shirts. Tri top also binds good enough.