I've seen on the forums, heard from people and seen in the news that more and more people are becoming transgendered just so they can have sex with the gender that they were born genetic as. Not because they are trapped in a different body or that their brain doesn't match up with their body but just because they want sex.

To me I think this is wrong...And just flat-out sad. What is your opinion about this? Do you think it's right that people file as transgendered just so they can have sex (Yes) Or do you think it's wrong and if you are transgendered it shouldn't be just for sex, It should be because you want to be who you really were suppose to be when you were born (No)
Or are you just (Indifferent) or (Don't Know)?

Well think about it this way:  You take testosterone blockers and female hormones, all of which render you extremely impotent and drained of energy.  Then you have your genitals surgically altered and endure months of excruciating pain and the hassle of dilation.  You swell and don't want to be touched.   You go through post surgical depression... 

And then someone tells you this is really about sex.

Who are they kidding?


Thankfully, many do return to a fairly normal sex life, some even a great one.  But it takes a lot of time.  If this were all about sex, there would be a lot easier way to get there.

Kristi

Quote from: Inphyy on August 15, 2009, 10:01:07 PM
I've seen on the forums, heard from people and seen in the news that more and more people are becoming transgendered just so they can have sex with the gender that they were born genetic as. Not because they are trapped in a different body or that their brain doesn't match up with their body but just because they want sex.

To me I think this is wrong...And just flat-out sad. What is your opinion about this? Do you think it's right that people file as transgendered just so they can have sex (Yes) Or do you think it's wrong and if you are transgendered it shouldn't be just for sex, It should be because you want to be who you really were suppose to be when you were born (No)
Or are you just (Indifferent) or (Don't Know)?

Yep that's why I made the trip, heck it was so fun.  I've made so may new friends and now I can even have sex with guy's without being called Gay.  It's so wonderful that i recommended it to everyone and now there is such a line up for SRS that the surgeons can't keep up.

The Gay and Lesbian movement is so pissed off at us now cause they have no one to convert to their side.  Ah the world is such a wonderful place.

Send this email to 10 of your closest friends within the next 10 minutes and you will have good luck for the rest of your life.

-={LR}=-

P.S. I didn't bother voting.  What a stupid topic.

Sweetie,

Gender Identitiy and Sexual orientation are two distinctly different things. Gender identitiy has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Being transgendered (or gender-gifted as I like to say) has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with sex!!! Being gender-gifted is simply who you are and will not be able to be a peace until you totally transition or find a way to express yourself to your satisfaction.

Being Transgendered has nothing to do with sex. It has everything to do with your well being.

Love

Brenda

Quote from: bernii on August 15, 2009, 10:22:46 PM
Sweetie,

Gender Identitiy and Sexual orientation are two distinctly different things. Gender identitiy has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Being transgendered (or gender-gifted as I like to say) has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with sex!!! Being gender-gifted is simply who you are and will not be able to be a peace until you totally transition or find a way to express yourself to your satisfaction.

Being Transgendered has nothing to do with sex. It has everything to do with your well being.

Love

Brenda

No not sex as in like gender, etc. but as the deed...It's on the news about that many people that are (usually) gay say they are transgendered and go through the whole process just to have sex with straight men.

first and foremost I did not begin this journey to have sex.  I am a father of four and that was about sex.  This is about as far from sex as one can get.

Only that idiots that say that, think that.  None of us are passing this way because of sex.

You will hear it over and over and over again.  Gender identitiy has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

What would I go through this to be with a woman?  I had wives before, why change gender?  Because I am a woman and the body must be changed to conform to the mind.  And I am more BI, but right now I am on the lesbian side of sexuality.


You're young, just remain celebate.
Janet

Quote from: Janet Lynn on August 15, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
first and foremost I did not begin this journey to have sex.  I am a father of four and that was about sex.  This is about as far from sex as one can get.

Only that idiots that say that, think that.  None of us are passing this way because of sex.

You will hear it over and over and over again.  Gender identitiy has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

What would I go through this to be with a woman?  I had wives before, why change gender?  Because I am a woman and the body must be changed to conform to the mind.  And I am more BI, but right now I am on the lesbian side of sexuality.


You're young, just remain celebate.
Janet

That's exactly my point also! Thanks for sharing it!

Once upon a time, not all that long ago, there were very formal rules, under which most of the people in here would not have qualified.  Now, its a bit looser, and more or less, people are making it up as they go.

Though that might not seem a valid reason, under the old rules, if you had proclaimed yourself a lesbian you would have been disqualified from HRT/SRS, so not being all that hard and fast is perhaps a good thing.

People have a right to do with their body, what they wish, as they see fit, for the reasons that seem right to them.  It does not always work out right - so it goes.  But no one has the right to tell another what is, or is not, a valid choice, a valid reason, or what is the right or wrong way.

Especially anyone in here.

While I've heard many people use the "you're changing your sex because you're just trying to deny the fact that you're gay" argument before (once from a friend that didn't know my trans status and who I am no longer in contact with) it really doesn't hold water when you consider the vast number of people who transition and become lesbians or gay men.

Personally, for me it cannot possibly be about sex, because I happen to be one of those crazy asexual people. Completely lacking in a desire or need for sex kinda eliminates it as a possible motivator.

Quote from: tekla on August 16, 2009, 12:30:36 AM
People have a right to do with their body, what they wish, as they see fit, for the reasons that seem right to them.  It does not always work out right - so it goes.  But no one has the right to tell another what is, or is not, a valid choice, a valid reason, or what is the right or wrong way.

Especially anyone in here.

^This^ Abso-freakin-lutely this...

Quote from: Dominick on August 16, 2009, 12:37:01 AM
While I've heard many people use the "you're changing your sex because you're just trying to deny the fact that you're gay" argument before (once from a friend that didn't know my trans status and who I am no longer in contact with) it really doesn't hold water when you consider the vast number of people who transition and become lesbians or gay men.

Personally, for me it cannot possibly be about sex, because I happen to be one of those crazy asexual people. Completely lacking in a desire or need for sex kinda eliminates it as a possible motivator.

Your just like me I am asexual and I just have no need for sex in my life! Glad to finally meet someone who has the same out-put as me!

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No not sex as in like gender, etc. but as the deed...It's on the news about that many people that are (usually) gay say they are transgendered and go through the whole process just to have sex with straight men
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Being gay is not the same at all as to be Transgendered. In fact being Transgendered is completely different from being gay. Someone who is homosexual is fine with their gender and simply prefers their own gender sexually. Someone who is Transgendered knows that they are born in the wrong body, sexuality aside.

Brenda

The media does not understand ->-bleeped-<-. Don't listen to the media.

Umm... can I vote HELL NO!!?

I have read 'papers' that attempt to define specifics of sexual orientation and gender identity and they have attempted to lump sum all variants that deviate from straight heterosexual genetic males and females into this melting pot called transgender. In other words if you aren't definitively X or Y, then you are transgendered. HUHHH??

Homosexuality has little if anything to do with gender. Bisexuality has little to nothing to do with gender. Sex has nothing to do with gender. I'm not "choosing" to become a woman so that I can have sex with women. I could stay as I am and (if I was not as screwed up sexually as I've been my whole life) have sex with women and nothing would be wrong with that. Even if I wanted to have sex with men, it would be a whole hell of a lot easier to just say I'm gay and be done with it. Becoming the woman/girl that I am inside is infinitely harder on so many levels than just saying I'm gay, let's have sex.

Too many people - professional and not - confuse sex with gender. It's like confusing an orange with a tenderloin.

Just my 2 pence.

Deanna

Quote from: bernii on August 16, 2009, 12:49:09 AM
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No not sex as in like gender, etc. but as the deed...It's on the news about that many people that are (usually) gay say they are transgendered and go through the whole process just to have sex with straight men
"

Being gay is not the same at all as to be Transgendered. In fact being Transgendered is completely different from being gay. Someone who is homosexual is fine with their gender and simply prefers their own gender sexually. Someone who is Transgendered knows that they are born in the wrong body, sexuality aside.

Brenda

The media does not understand ->-bleeped-<-. Don't listen to the media.

Again another point of mines! Thanks for sharing! 

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Quote from: Deanna_Renee on August 16, 2009, 12:54:49 AM
Umm... can I vote HELL NO!!?

I have read 'papers' that attempt to define specifics of sexual orientation and gender identity and they have attempted to lump sum all variants that deviate from straight heterosexual genetic males and females into this melting pot called transgender. In other words if you aren't definitively X or Y, then you are transgendered. HUHHH??

Homosexuality has little if anything to do with gender. Bisexuality has little to nothing to do with gender. Sex has nothing to do with gender. I'm not "choosing" to become a woman so that I can have sex with women. I could stay as I am and (if I was not as screwed up sexually as I've been my whole life) have sex with women and nothing would be wrong with that. Even if I wanted to have sex with men, it would be a whole hell of a lot easier to just say I'm gay and be done with it. Becoming the woman/girl that I am inside is infinitely harder on so many levels than just saying I'm gay, let's have sex.

Too many people - professional and not - confuse sex with gender. It's like confusing an orange with a tenderloin.

Just my 2 pence.

Deanna

Like one of my friends once said, "Not everyone does their research and it normally bites them in the a**", So to those that don't understand the differences, are normally the ones that arn't accepting and wouldn't give a chance to understand.

If it was about sex, I'd stay a woman. Hell of a lot free-er and easier.

It's like Baily et. all. - While  ->-bleeped-<- is not a be all, and end all, alpha/omega explanation, neither is anything else.  So while it might be true for most even, most is never all.

Well, heck yeah.  In fact, I'm transitioning just so I can have all the advantages of being gay. 

I'm married.
My partner accepts me as is.
I'm still transitioning.

If the idea is to get "out" of gay sex.. It would mean I'm doing it wrong...

No, as everyone's said, it's not at all about sex.

However, I think the thought of sex can help you realise you're trans, so-to-speak. Like, given that I'm physically female, the fact that, whenever I imagine being with a man, I myself am always male and have been for years, made me question if there was something wrong, that I wasn't a 'normal' girl. However, while it was one of the reasons that led me to start questioning myself, it was not the only reason, and certainly not why I want to transition. Of course I would like (gay) sex to happen one day, but even if I knew before I definitively decided to transition that it wouldn't happen, I would still go for it. I want to be able to walk my dog, go to work, have coffee with friends, and watch movies with my Mum as the man I am, and so whether I die a virgin or have a wild gay roll in the hay every night from the moment I start passing is irrelevant.

it's all about the sex & the clothes!  yup yup let's not forget about 'the clothes',