I can't believe anyone would get a sex change for that reason, considering all the risks... I feel bad for any who do as they would likely not be ready for all the other changes in their lives that suddenly being male or female means for them.

Me, I identify as a gay FtM, so I could probably have more male partners in my current female form than if I got the transition... but it means so much more than partners.  For all I know, the testosterone could turn me really bi or even make me attracted to women more.  I don't really care to be honest, it's more just my body coming in line with what I perceived myself to be all this time.

I agree with all your points, and add that I have never known any trans people to transition because of the sex.  It is an identity issue, and appearing on the outside like we are on the inside, and in being "honest" with the world about that.

That being said, after transition I found my body had a very sexy feeling, and I felt sexy being inside me. 

QuoteIs Being Transgendered Only About The Sex?

No it isn't.

It's all about correcting what I consider a birth defect for me 

Easy way to explain it...
Given the choice between transitioning and sex, sex would be given up in a hurry.

I'm already celibate, so it's no loss to me.

Well, if it were just about sex for me ... at least it seems that I would be getting good resutls. I've had more girls flirt with / hit on / make out with me in the six months or so that I've been presenting as female than in the six years prior to that. 

^{~Heather takes shelter under her stainless steel umbrella, in anticipation of the coming firestorm~}

Noun or verb, I still see gender and sexual issues as being separate issues

No need for the umbrella, heather. That actually made sense.

Quote from: heatherrose on August 16, 2009, 11:47:19 PM

I voted yes, please allow me to explain.
There are two sides of the same coin in our happy little societal microcosm.
On the one side, we have those who consider the word "Transgender" to be a verb,
those who feel the process of transition up to and including gender reassignment
surgery to be a series of stepping stones and not a destination and refer to themselves
as men, women or possibly androgyne. On the other side of the coin there are those who
consider the word to be a noun. These are they who are satisfied with the designation
of themselves as being "Transgendered". It is within this "Noun Group" where you
will find those who find "->-bleeped-<-" to be a form sexual expression.

^{~Heather takes shelter under her stainless steel umbrella, in anticipation of the coming firestorm~}

Taken in that light it does make sense.  And I think for those outside of the verb version, see it as the noun version.  And there comes the problem.  This journey is a verb, not a noun.

Janet

Well, as one who could be described as a noun person - not a Man but a Trans-man - for me, personally, it's still not about sex.  I agree with Leslie Ann.  If I had to choose between transition and sex, I would happily skip down the road to celibate trans-man-hood.

(And before you verb-people start pelting me with rotten vegetables, that's only how I view myself.  I am not putting anybody else's manhood or womanhood into question.)

^{~Heather loads her tomato canon, awaiting Jamie's reply.~'}

Quote from: heatherrose on August 17, 2009, 05:22:42 AM

I save the most fragrant of my rotten tomatoes,
for the nut jobs who hide behind religion as the they
preach hell and damnation because of my gender variance.
You are not a religious nut job who rails against my gender variance.

Are you?

^{~Heather loads her tomato canon, awaiting Jamie's reply.~'}

Nah.  I'm an agnostic nut-job who rails against taking anything too seriously.  *whistles innocently while moving out of tomato cannon's range*

Quote from: Inphyy on August 15, 2009, 10:01:07 PM
I've seen on the forums, heard from people and seen in the news that more and more people are becoming transgendered just so they can have sex with the gender that they were born genetic as. Not because they are trapped in a different body or that their brain doesn't match up with their body but just because they want sex.

To me I think this is wrong...And just flat-out sad. What is your opinion about this? Do you think it's right that people file as transgendered just so they can have sex (Yes) Or do you think it's wrong and if you are transgendered it shouldn't be just for sex, It should be because you want to be who you really were suppose to be when you were born (No)
Or are you just (Indifferent) or (Don't Know)?

I would really like to know which forums you are reading to come to the conclusions you have.  If you have read more that 20-30 posts here you would have seen that the people here do not share that opinion.

Also the results from your poll bear this out.

Additionally were they to say that to their  gender councilor during their transition, they would probably not have gotten their letters.

-Sandy

^{How many times can you use the word TRANSGENDER in a paragraph?}

Quote from: heatherrose on August 17, 2009, 09:01:19 AM

The statements Inphyy made and the questions which she asked pretained
to this quote from her, "more and more people are becoming transgendered"
Nowhere in her post did she mention surgery or even transition. Here in lies the
problem with the one label fits all philosophy. Not everyone under the big happy
"transgender" umbrella is on the SRS track. To "become" transgendered,
one merely has to mention the word in a sentence, something to the
tune of, "I am Transgendered". Pavlov (if he were to visit
us from the beyond) might be interested in the knee
jerk reaction of some, to the word "transgender"

.

^{How many times can you use the word TRANSGENDER in a paragraph?}

I take issue with the statement that one can become transgendered.  That implies that the fascist religious Reich is right and this is a choice.  I did not *choose* to be trans.  I was born this way.  It was no choice to me.

The only thing I chose to do was the manner and method of my coming out.  But I did not chose to put on the mantle of transgender the same way I would choose which top to wear.

Also, know that I am not railing at anyone here.  Just the general attitude of the whole "gay is choice and can be fixed through torture/murder".


^{I only came up with two.}

-Sandy

So now we'll ask Susan to create several more forums or just modify some existing ones, or even just make some sub forums, after all we want to make sure we remain inclusive here.  Sooooo....

1. Transgender Noun Variant
2. Transgender Verb Variant
3. Transsexual Noun Variant
4. Transsexual Verb Variant

Give me a friggin break folks.  Just let everyone define themselves come up with their own definition of who and what they are and sit back and watch the chaos.  This place is just like the weather; If you don't like how you're looked as or don't like the definitions just wait a day or two and they'll certainly change.

It's no wonder folks in and out of this community are shaking their heads.  I can just see the law makers sitting around drafting new beneficial policies, when there's a sound at the door; Knock, nock, nock.  "Come in!", "Excuse me sirs' but I just received another email from a place called 'The Transgender Coalition' they need to add to some of the terms.  Apparently there is a whole new group those who are verb leaning and those who are nouns...."  "What the F&@$...

-={LR}=-

I entirely support anyone's decision to become a transgender person.  The fact that it may be a choice does not threaten me in the least.  I personally believe being transgender is mostly inborn, but I completely support those who find it a choice.

Do not let the Religious right shape our argument.

Trust me, I still feel awful I can't have normal sex like the way I feel... I didn't start this JUST because of it though... Hell NO. I don't like the idea of being celibate... But nothing more than bs appetizers ever occur with me anyway in the grand scheme...

Its a lot of things though... When I'm not totally dysphoric, and more encouraged that side starts to come out more. Hopefully art school will keep it drawn out so I can get to know it better. We'll see how my blood test results get back and see if I really do have major T issues still... ; ;

But I felt... A HUGE lack of those feelings a few months into HRT... Like six. Its only been recently for some reason. Maybe this town etc and depression.

But I... Feel so much more like myself inside from the HRT. I'm just more receptive... Hopefully it will be worked out a little better soon, but its not just sex. Thats a small piece... But not even close to the whole thing.