Hi all , as title really , would or would you not do it and why  ? i have a gorgeous loving partner and two gorgeous children but if i had a chance to make my GID dissapear i honestley do not know what i would do knowing that i should have been born female in the first place and also loving my little family to bits, this is really really hard for me , lets say for instance you never had children in your life would you take the "pill" just for the sake of all the upset , harm  , finance etc etc that usually comes with GID ?

Too much fantasy in the one little pill threads. I am stuck here much closer to a sort of reality to even think about it.

Yes, without hesitation.

Why?

Because GID sucks.  I just want to be normal.  Yes, I know "normal" can be pretty subjective.

Because as amazing as transitioning is, it still sucks.  I shouldn't have to do it to feel closer to normal.

So, yes I would take a pill to get rid of GID.  But this pill doesn't exist, so the next best thing is the green pill I love called estradiol, and a surgeon named Suporn.

Yeah well thanks for your input LordKAT, just a simple question on how strongly some people here think about their GID , thats all , its not a hard question , im just curious . Im sure their is plenty of fantasy on every forum everywhere .

Honestly, I can't say for 100% sure yes or no.
I probably would, in the end, provided it wouldn't "turn me into a girl" just allow me to fully accept the body I was born with and not feel so out of place in it.
That is to say, if all it did was remove the GID and not "who I am", then I'd go for it.

I "might" take it even if it did change me just so that I wouldn't have to live with "this", but that's a little less likely.

I already do take such a pill.  It is Estradiol.

Enough said.

Janet

What GID?
I'm a female, not a male
Slowly fixing my body, but always knew it, always will be a female.

I'd hate becoming a male, people tried to make me one or at least expected me to be as one, it failed terribly and I don't want to be there again.

I don't even want to *want* it.

 Yes Absolutely

To have GID is Hell to me, All this energy, time and money its consuming, pain and loss. Yah I could do with out it.

I often envy those who don't have it. It most be nice to be at ease with your Gender. Living a ordinary life.     

Quote from: Myself on September 04, 2009, 12:29:04 PMI don't even want to *want* it.

girl you got that right.

No, I would never take such a pill. There is a cure for GID, it's called transitioning, HRT, and SRS. It's not about "curing" GID with some little pill, and so the entire premise is built on a faulty assumption. It's about correcting a birth defect and becoming the person on the outside that you already know you are on the inside. There can be no other cure.

i would not take it, because i don't act like a man, my body language is not of a man ect.... so it will be like still living a lie.

and such a magical pill exist and some people take it and it is called alcohol drug suicide ect... so i d rather work on the safer pill HRT.

i hate being a man so much that i don't want to think that such a pill might even exist.

Well, I would think one has to read certain pre-assumptions into the question in order to get the answer that clicks for them.

Part of the problem is that a pill only "cures" NOW. so it doesn't and can't take away the way you have felt all the previous years and so you would be basically conceding a part of your identity.

if you read the question from that point of view you are a lot less likely to say yes.

I'd guess that those who would still say yes have a lot to lose (family, career, etc) by transitioning....or know they will never be able to afford it...or have gone through some massive depression and such.

In THAT context, I'm not sure what I'd do but I'd have to consider it for the sake of my marriage.

But if the question was more like - "if you could have been given a shot at birth that would have cured GID before you were even aware of it?" then that becomes quite another thing because you would have grown up very comfortable and acclimated to the expectations and conditions of your physical gender and would never had any reason to consider any different gender role.

In that case, I'd suggest it's nothing ore than stubborn pride to say you wouldn't have wanted it.

Of course, i can't say all this without saying that whether it's magic pill or magic wish, my first choice over any other possible outcome would be to have been born fully female in the first place.

Even with the consequences that would necessarily have derived from it.

Quote from: Laura Hope on September 04, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
Well, I would think one has to read certain pre-assumptions into the question in order to get the answer that clicks for them.

Part of the problem is that a pill only "cures" NOW. so it doesn't and can't take away the way you have felt all the previous years and so you would be basically conceding a part of your identity.

if you read the question from that point of view you are a lot less likely to say yes.

I'd guess that those who would still say yes have a lot to lose (family, career, etc) by transitioning....or know they will never be able to afford it...or have gone through some massive depression and such.

In THAT context, I'm not sure what I'd do but I'd have to consider it for the sake of my marriage.

But if the question was more like - "if you could have been given a shot at birth that would have cured GID before you were even aware of it?" then that becomes quite another thing because you would have grown up very comfortable and acclimated to the expectations and conditions of your physical gender and would never had any reason to consider any different gender role.

In that case, I'd suggest it's nothing ore than stubborn pride to say you wouldn't have wanted it.

Of course, i can't say all this without saying that whether it's magic pill or magic wish, my first choice over any other possible outcome would be to have been born fully female in the first place.

Even with the consequences that would necessarily have derived from it.

Stubborn pride?  Yes.  I am happy with the identity I've built myself, and somehow I don't think it could ever be the same, or I could ever be the same, without my gender identity being the way it is now.  I don't think I'd even want that pill from birth.  Like some have said, in the long-run I think transitioning is much more rewarding than any other "cure" would be.  I don't want to want a cure.

Quote from: Laura Hope on September 04, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
But if the question was more like - "if you could have been given a shot at birth that would have cured GID before you were even aware of it?" then that becomes quite another thing because you would have grown up very comfortable and acclimated to the expectations and conditions of your physical gender and would never had any reason to consider any different gender role.

I think we pretty much know what people reaction is to "if I could have started HRT at 12 or before"
and "if I could have just been more a normal female"

I mean, I think everyone would take one of these (probably the second one) over wanting to be a normal guy.. if they could ^^

Quote from: V on September 04, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
Stubborn pride?  Yes.  I am happy with the identity I've built myself, and somehow I don't think it could ever be the same, or I could ever be the same, without my gender identity being the way it is now.  I don't think I'd even want that pill from birth.  Like some have said, in the long-run I think transitioning is much more rewarding than any other "cure" would be.  I don't want to want a cure.

I don't mean to offend but If I could have been given an injection at birth that would have made me genetically entirely female, THAT would have changed my identity in such a way that I couldn't have been entirely the person I am now just as much as an injection that would have altered my gender identity to fully male.

So the question of being a totally different person works either way.

Now, I suppose there are some among us who would not have wanted either, being very much attached to all the experiences and feelings that they experienced from birth to today. for them, I concede, it's not pride. just different priorities.

but if one is like me - which is to say I would without hesitation be glad to have taken a shot that would have made me genetically as well as mentally female - then I'm being intellectually inconsistent if I say I would not want to have had one that would have "fixed" my identity issues.

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Quote from: Myself on September 04, 2009, 03:05:31 PM
I think we pretty much know what people reaction is to "if I could have started HRT at 12 or before"
and "if I could have just been more a normal female"

I mean, I think everyone would take one of these (probably the second one) over wanting to be a normal guy.. if they could ^^

I agree - but that STILL derives from having already realized you weren't (a guy).

I'm saying if you never had the opportunity to have realized a disporia in the first place.

but you're reading more into the question than was originally there, and basing your arguments on your assumptions. The question was not "would you take a pill that would change your identity to male/female?" or "would you take a pill that would erase all memory of dysphoria", but the question was: "Would you take a pill ( for example ) to make your GID dissapear?" (sic) which is an entirely different question, and actually does imply a pre-existing condition of GID.

Yes, you make a valid point, Laura.  But yes, this topic wasn't exactly about taking an injection to change gender or sex at birth at all, it was about a pill later in life assuming a past with GID.

I'm not entirely sure my whole identity is based upon my gender identity disorder, however.  It adds to my identity, but I have lived a very androgynous life as I would if I were born male, anyway.  I think being born male wouldn't have changed me drastically as it is.  But I know having a female identity would.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

I don't think this is possible even if there was a pill.

It's like unlearning all that you know. I know I'm female, so a pill that suddenly reverses that to make me feel male may stop some of my problems, I would still have the lingering problems from that time I "thought" I was a woman.

We are a collection of our thoughts and life experiences. What has been done, cannot be undone. At least not so easily.

I want nothing more than to be female , i know if i had the chance then i would go through it all to be female , as far as im concerned the "pill" could go to hell but the question was - would you sacrifice this "gift" for the sake of everything and everybody if you had the chance ? Anyways........

It was my first visit to the doctors today  and to be honest she did not really have a clue about GID but the way she was speaking to me was if i could have therapy and everything would be o.k which i know is just not possible , im female , end of story  It was the way she was putting herself across to me as if i should do anything just to lead the life as i am as i have a partner and children and i suppose a decent career , she made me feel really really selfish , i suppose that is where this whole question has came from , it just made me think , o.k " what if " i could have this therapy or whatever and everything would be o.k , i do feel selfish in a way now but i know nothing will ever change the way i feel ...... ever .

Im sorry if i have offended anybody by this thread but i was expecting today ( the doctors ) to be a bit more positive , ive just came away feeling more depressed .


Bexxi

I would not take the pill. This is our challenge in this life for better or worse, and if we get out of it, through a pill or suicide or whatever, we'll just have to face it again in the next; so we may as well get on with it.