Quote from: FairyGirl on September 04, 2009, 03:29:30 PM
but you're reading more into the question than was originally there, and basing your arguments on your assumptions. The question was not "would you take a pill that would change your identity to male/female?" or "would you take a pill that would erase all memory of dysphoria", but the question was: "Would you take a pill ( for example ) to make your GID dissapear?" (sic) which is an entirely different question, and actually does imply a pre-existing condition of GID.

I don't think my comments imply that I thought otherwise.

Everything I said arises from the assumption that the person potentially receiving treatment actually has a GID to treat.

The only point was that what the original question means by the word "disappear" is vague enough that people can answer based on varying assumptions.

If you are saying "make what i have not stop being that way" it's a different question than "wipe it out of existence as if it never were"

And how you read that has an affect - potentially at least - on how you answer.

No, I wouldn't take such a pill (if I've understood the question): at puberty I was "forced" into being " male" by my well intentioned parents and a family doctor that knew no better and back then GID was unknown to them. So I've played a false role until now -- but never thought of it a disorder; just a sad mistake.

JJ

I don't think my comments imply that I thought otherwise.

Perhaps if you learned to write better, people would not misinterpret you so much, which seems to be a problem for you.  Me, people know exactly what I'm sayin'.  You know?  Just sayin'.

A pill for what ?
GID is a defect of the body, a pill is not really enough, you also need surgeries to fix the body defects (FFS, SRS, etc)

My therapist asked me the same question.  I'm sure others were asked too.  Why would I want to take a pill to change who I am?  The answer for me is, I wouldn't.  GID sucks.  Despite my appearance I'm a woman.  I have no need or desire to change who I am, only my outward appearance.

I wouldn't take a pill.  Despite the fact I still believe I am a fraud somehow, I don't want a pill to make it go away.  I want to know why it is I feel the way I feel.  Something happened to me and I will not rest until I find out what it is.  Up until the age of 16 or something I was happy being a man, but then somehow something changed.  The pill would not give me the answers I need but only help me avoid them.   

Quote from: tekla on September 05, 2009, 01:19:48 AM
I don't think my comments imply that I thought otherwise.

Perhaps if you learned to write better, people would not misinterpret you so much, which seems to be a problem for you.  Me, people know exactly what I'm sayin'.  You know?  Just sayin'.

I write like I write.

I will refrain from elaborating on why people know exactly what you are saying....but I do recognize what that reason is.

Quote from: Bexxi on September 04, 2009, 08:50:53 PMIt was the way she was putting herself across to me as if i should do anything just to lead the life as i am as i have a partner and children and i suppose a decent career , she made me feel really really selfish , i suppose that is where this whole question has came from , it just made me think , o.k " what if " i could have this therapy or whatever and everything would be o.k , i do feel selfish in a way now but i know nothing will ever change the way i feel ...... ever .

it's sad that people will try to make you feel selfish about wanting to cure something as debilitating as GID. I can only conclude that the ones who do that do not understand the problem at all. You should never be made to feel selfish for wanting to cure yourself.

No, I wouldn't.  I've learned a lot through my experiences and I've learned to love myself for who I am.  I would not want to change just to be "normal".  I'm used to being different, and it's sort of my identity.  I am seen and treated as a woman, so taking the pill wouldn't change anything except my genitals I guess.

I'm sorry, Bexxi, that your experience with the doctor was so poor.  It is extremely frustrating.  Fifteen years ago I went to one of the top gender clinics in the country.  They couldn't figure out why I was there.  I wasn't on drugs or alcohol, I wasn't suicidal, I had a good marriage and career, I wasn't in jail or living on the street.  What was my problem?  Well geez, guys, if you don't know what my problem is, why do you think you're a gender clinic?

I did my share of drugs in the 60s and 70s, stuff to alter my reality.  No thanks.  I'll take reality, as lousy as it is sometimes, and deal with it.  No pill for me, thank you very much.

Bexxi, dear, I hope you can get a better doctor. *hugs to you*

- Kate

No, I wouldn't want to take a pill that 'cured' my feelings of GID. Curing a symptom doesn't cure the condition. Unless it also corrected my feelings and memories of the past 47 years of living with GID and all of the issues; depression, contemplating suicide on a weekly/daily basis, insecurity, inability to feel like the guy my body shows that I should be.

At this stage in my life I would far prefer to 'cure' myself by transitioning and becoming the woman that I was destined to be. Since coming to the realization that I have had GID for my whole life and discovering that there is a solution, a way to deal with it, I would much prefer go through with the difficulties, pain, and efforts of HRT, FFS, SRS, etc to become as close to a woman as possible. I hate being a 'guy'.

Deanna

Quote from: Becca on September 04, 2009, 09:41:24 PM
I would not take the pill. This is our challenge in this life for better or worse, and if we get out of it, through a pill or suicide or whatever, we'll just have to face it again in the next; so we may as well get on with it.

I agree with Becca on this one.  A pill may affect the body, but it doesn't affect the soul.  Without trying to spark a spiritual debate, I'd have to say that this is our struggle in this life, for good or for ill - some may fall, many will persevere.  I would like to think that on the other side, I will be a stronger person for all the struggles.  Some people face death of a parent, physical and sexual abuse, eating disorders, deformity, etc - adversity is ours to overcome as humans.  We decide whether we will fall victim to it or grow from it.  Looking at it from that angle, taking a pill seems like a cop-out to me, but is perfectly acceptable for others.

Quote from: calliope on September 06, 2009, 01:36:28 PM
Without trying to spark a spiritual debate

It kind of is a spiritual debate already. People keep trying and failing to find biological explanations for our perdicaments. The individuality of spirit is kind of hard to prove.

I think this quote from Sandy, made in another thread entirely, is a pretty good response to this thread as well:

Quote from: Sandy on September 04, 2009, 03:53:03 PM
The whole pill to make you normal bull->-bleeped-<- would make the whole goddamned world happy.

It removes the need for anyone who is "normal" from the effort to accept those who aren't.  Wouldn't the religious fanatics love such a thing?  If a trans person makes you uncomfortable, make them take the pill to make them normal!

If there were a pill that would eliminate GID at the brain level it would probably be mandatory to take it.  More than likely by force if necessary.  And would probably be the very first thing administered if a guy was caught wearing a bra or a woman stuffed a sock in her pants.

Then, of course, as a precautionary measure it would be administered to any woman with short hair or any man who wore pink.

Best not be caught swishing your hips guys!  If you don't watch football you too could get the pill!

And girls if you don't swoon over the latest county singing heartthrob, well you are just too macho and that would have to be fixed.

If I was ever fed that pill, I would kill myself before it had a chance to take.  But then again, I wouldn't be me anyway, so I'd be just as dead.

-Sandy

Thankyou K8 , your cool  .

No. I love being feminine. It IS me and there is no point in destoying a good thing.

Quote from: FairyGirl on September 06, 2009, 03:55:10 PM
I think this quote from Sandy, made in another thread entirely, is a pretty good response to this thread as well:

Well, I think if this case were to come along, then it would be the next step to require the "immunization" of every child shortly after birth to ensure that "all children are free of this condition". This way we will all be the same and there will be no conflict in the world and we will all be bored and suicidal, then they will provide us all with "immunizations" against unhappiness and suicidal thoughts. Hell, just remove all brains from children being born, while your at it.

Deanna

Quote from: FairyGirl on September 06, 2009, 03:55:10 PM
I think this quote from Sandy, made in another thread entirely, is a pretty good response to this thread as well:

Sounds like the beginnings of a storyline about a dystopian society in which this hellish reality occurs.

Hmm... no.

At the start of transition or earlier, I think many of us begin to intellectually (in addition to emotionally / physically) identify with the gender we feel we belong to.  Personally, I started viewing femininity as a force of healing for humanity in general, perhaps life in general.  Sisterhood, motherhood, et cetera.

So for a pill to take away GID, it would have to rebuild everything that makes me who I am, from personality to mannerisms to even ideals and beliefs.  The resulting person wouldn't be me at all, and as such I wouldn't be cured.  Someone random guy that sort of looked like me pretransition would be.

Quote from: calliope on September 07, 2009, 10:55:06 AM
Sounds like the beginnings of a storyline about a dystopian society in which this hellish reality occurs.

Actually I did write an outline for a story called "The Day the Last Lesbian Died" where in a future where LGBT tendencies were eliminated from birth.  But one of the sources of creativity are also anchored in the region of the brain where gay and lesbian tendencies arise.  As a result as the gay was bred out of the human race, it became less and less creative.  Too late it was discovered but by then there wasn't anyone who was creative enough to re-ignite the creative spirit and by time the last lesbian died, the human race started to whither and die.

-Sandy