I'd like for people to be uncertain when they see me.

Quote from: Jaimey on August 28, 2009, 11:50:53 PM
I'd like for people to be uncertain when they see me.

me to I'm thinking a female body with a beard would cause enough people to be unsure and stop using male pronouns

See I think if I grew me a beard people would probably stop using female pronouns with me  

Quote from: Smashley on August 29, 2009, 08:20:07 AM
See I think if I grew me a beard people would probably stop using female pronouns with me

Not necessarily true. I have facial hair also but Im pre t so I still look female.

I was born with a male body and over the years have drifted toward the feminine but after carefull consideration. I don't know (still).

You see, I'm female-bodied but think I drift more towards the masculine side of myself than I would if I were male-bodied, because my masculinity is so often undermined by my biology (if that makes sense...  ). So I don't get as fussed if people refer to me as male (unfortunately a rare occurence anyway ) as I would if people refer to me as female. But I reckon if I were biologically male I would have similar (but focused on different body parts) GID issues. My gender does vary, and most of the time when I'm just left to it I'm relatively in-between.
I'd like to spend some time messing with it to see how I feel in either role. But that would involve buying stuff (like makeup) that I'd probably never use again, and my natural cheapskateness kicks in and stops me.

While I consider myself a guy, though technically ftm, I'm largely androgynous psychologically. However, I never felt comfortable being seen as a girl, hence the transition. Now I have the opposite problem: due to the fact that, in some folks' opinion, T was VERY good to me, I'm seen as uber-masculine, whereas I'm really not. So it can go both ways... but there's no rule that says you have to remain your birth gender on the outside just because your inside tends toward androgyny.

SD

I suspect there are actually a lot of people like yourself Sebastien, transitioning as a transexual but at the same time not desiring the stereotypical extreme.

Similalry I think a lot of bio-men, if you don't mind me using that term, are also put into the uber-masculine box whether they like it or not. Some probably can't even allow themselves to see there are other possibilities (probably why dressing in drag for a party is so popular, or you get those football teams that dress up as cheerleaders for the womens matches in America - one of the few 'acceptable' outlets available).

in a weird way I know my "gender/sex" is male, but I don't at all identify as male really. My innards are almost entirely female....oh wait.

My PSYCHE is entirely female, of this I am sure. I fear estrogen, because I think chaos would ensue. Imagine being so emotional, and then adding the estrogen to it, which makes even tough guys emotional. Nothing wrong with crying, but I like my crying ability, because when I cry, people know things are up.

It is interesting how men don't have the same freedom as women to express emotion. I don't think it is all to do with hormones either. I think a lot of it is to do with socialisation. I've heard other ftm's say they really welcomed the emotional stability of testosterone. On the flip side a lot of mtf's say they love the freedom to express emotion and the range of feelings estrogen allows them.

Quote from: Nicky on September 10, 2009, 02:53:29 PM
I suspect there are actually a lot of people like yourself Sebastien, transitioning as a transexual but at the same time not desiring the stereotypical extreme.

That would be my partner, who is MTF but really considers herself to be more genderqueer than anything. And indeed, she has some feminine traits and some very masculine traits, but considers herself genderqueer. She doesn't like to be identified as male at all, prefers feminine pronouns but doesn't care to be cast in stone as female either. And she doesn't care who she confuses or what people think, but fortunately she has a personality that is so attractive that it's almost impossible not to like her and no one seems to care. I had a hard time dealing with the "in-between" thing for a long time and in fact still do sometimes, so I am always interested in gaining some insight from other androgynous genderqueer people.

I identify with androgyny, sort of.  I want to be seen as an androgynous girl though, not an androgynous male.  I'd say 70% female, 30% male, if I had to take a stab at quantifying it.

I always like people not knowing, but I'm comfortable with being read as male, but not as female.

i totally agree with you CyanideSeann...thats exactly how i feel

I am female-bodied, generally dressed in jeans and a t-shirt or sweatshirt. I have no sense of style.

One side of my chest is flat, the other boobed. I cut my hair off for chemo and discovered I like it that way. I have no hips and have arms like a gorilla, so I buy clothes from the men's department because they fit better. And I like men's boots better than women's.

The world knows me as a woman. My wife knows me as me. I don't care if I'm called Sir or Ma'am.

Quote from: Nero on August 13, 2009, 08:02:36 PM
Depends on what you mean. I'm male but I have masculine and feminine traits. Maybe this is due to being raised female, maybe it isn't. I have an androgynous personality. But I am a guy and almost done with transition.

I can relate to you, although I am a guy too but choose not to change 'down' there, unless I can find a doctor who will removed everything.  And I never hope to see those parts again.

I'm comfortable with my male body and I don't wish to change it. I just want to be able to act like a human being and not have to conform to societal ideas of how a man should act.

I don't wear feminine clothes, but I prefer gender-neutral clothes such as t-shirts and trainers (UK term for sneakers).

I'm not particularly tall or muscular, and I have a small frame, and I'm comfortable with that - I wouldn't want to be 6 foot 5 and 300lbs of pure muscle.

Quote from: childofwinter on October 13, 2009, 06:20:21 PM
I'm comfortable with my male body and I don't wish to change it. I just want to be able to act like a human being and not have to conform to societal ideas of how a man should act.

I don't wear feminine clothes, but I prefer gender-neutral clothes such as t-shirts and trainers (UK term for sneakers).

I'm not particularly tall or muscular, and I have a small frame, and I'm comfortable with that - I wouldn't want to be 6 foot 5 and 300lbs of pure muscle.

This may sound silly but I think you're cool :-)

Quote from: red on October 13, 2009, 06:55:56 PM

This may sound silly but I think you're cool :-)

Thanks

Quote from: childofwinter on October 13, 2009, 07:08:46 PM
Thanks

You are very welcome.  May I add you to my friends list?