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Injections and Breast Growth

Started by Julie Marie, August 27, 2006, 09:01:19 AM

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Julie Marie

I was on transdermals for about a year.  I went from nothing to about a B- cup. About three weeks ago I started injections.  Right now I'm on estradiol valerate.  Yesterday I noticed a firmness in my breasts that I never noticed.  I think I would have noticed it had it been there before.  I've heard it said many times that injections put your physical transition into overdrive, but this soon? 

Another question: If your breasts are sore does that mean they are still growing?  Any enlightenment is appreciated.


edit- removed dosage reference - Nero

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Melissa

Breast growth is supposed to maximize after about 2 years.  During that time, one will probably experience growth spurts.  I just switched to injectible EV on monday, so I'll let you know if I experience anything significant.

Melissa
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nonie

From a genetic girl, I can definitely tell youthat tenderness is from growth, yes.  I was on ortho-evra, which is a birth control patch that has since been found to give 60% more estrogen than intended, and I went up an entire cup size.  And they were very very tender.  I've since gotten off that nasty stuff and gone back to normal though.
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Nero

Quote from: nonie on August 27, 2006, 04:14:09 PM
From a genetic girl, I can definitely tell youthat tenderness is from growth, yes.  I was on ortho-evra, which is a birth control patch that has since been found to give 60% more estrogen than intended, and I went up an entire cup size.  And they were very very tender.  I've since gotten off that nasty stuff and gone back to normal though.
You mean your breasts went back to the size they were?

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LynnER

I think Injectons do kick you into overdrive..... Its been maby a month sence Ive posted my avatar pic and Im allready looking way better than that :)

My first time around hrt wise (I was on injectons then too)  I went from literaly nothing to a B in 5 or 6 months... it was very rappid and at the time a cause for some concern for my at the time and fience and I due to wanting to have a "Normal" wedding for the family.........  Right now Im EXTREEMLY sore and much more hungry than Id normaly be and there firmer than usual.... they are growing or about to go through a growth spurt... Id say your going through the same thing  *Shrugs*

Good luck and enjoy  :D  *Hugs*
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tinkerbell

I really have to ask my doctor to switch me to injections then. ;)  I doubt she would say "yes" but I'll ask her anyway...
You see, she believes that injections are just too powerful for the human body; they work quicker but they are riskier too.  Have you talked about this to your doctor?  Just wondering why some doctors agree on injectables and others don't.


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LynnER

Due to my drug and alchahol past my DR beleaves injectables are safer for me than oral... and theres no way Id be able to afford transdermal patches... the injectables like transdermal bypass the liver (actualy there only processed once instead of twice which is why transdermal and injectable are both safer in certian aspects and show better results.... only like 5% give or take of oral estrogens survive the liver to do there work on the body.....)

Injectables have there own risks but there preferable to the alternitives.... for me atleast.
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nonie

Quote from: Nero on August 27, 2006, 08:13:24 PM
Quote from: nonie on August 27, 2006, 04:14:09 PM
From a genetic girl, I can definitely tell youthat tenderness is from growth, yes.  I was on ortho-evra, which is a birth control patch that has since been found to give 60% more estrogen than intended, and I went up an entire cup size.  And they were very very tender.  I've since gotten off that nasty stuff and gone back to normal though.
You mean your breasts went back to the size they were?

Nero

Yeah, they did.  For genetic girls, once you're done developing as far as I know your breast size is permanent except for temporary increases based on your menstrual cycle or other factors...  Having extra estrogen in my system would only cause a temporary increase for the time I was on that medication.  Oh, and gaining weight makes them bigger too, but it makes you body bigger so the difference is not usually noticeable in relation.  I don't know how much would be the same for an mtf, just telling you what happened to me.
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Melissa

Well, I've been on injectibles for a week now and I've already noticed a slight increase in my cup size and they are slightly more tender as well.

Melissa
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Julie Marie

Quote from: Tinkerbell on August 28, 2006, 01:29:39 AM
I really have to ask my doctor to switch me to injections then. ;)  I doubt she would say "yes" but I'll ask her anyway...
You see, she believes that injections are just too powerful for the human body; they work quicker but they are riskier too.  Have you talked about this to your doctor?  Just wondering why some doctors agree on injectables and others don't.


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My doctor has been doing this for over 20 years. He is the favorite in the TS community. He frequently gives clinics and lectures to other doctors regarding treatment of the TS patient. He's very highly regarded in the medical community.

When I told him I wanted to start injections he took blood and had it analyzed. The next visit he showed me how to self inject and had me do it right in front of him. He gave me the weekly doseage which I've followed. After a month has passed I will see him again.  He'll do another analysis of where I am and make the necessary changes, if any. 

I've had three weekly injections, which I do every Wednesday. I haven't experienced any side effects except for what I have noticed with breast development. There's no other effects I have noticed.

I don't know why your doctor is against injections. Look at all the girls here who are on them and I have yet to read a single negative account. Maybe she's lacking sufficient experience with prescribing injections and isn't sure what level to start you at. My doctor likes to take everything slow. He's very cautious (of course some girls complain about this) but I feel very comfortable with following his directions.

If your doctor won't honor your wishes maybe it's time to find another doctor.
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tinkerbell

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Julie Marie

Quote from: TinkerbellSpecifically (what she has told me many times], she considers injectables to be too strong for the body, especially if the patient is over 40 years old.  She is mostly concerned about liver damage and blood clots.

I can understand clotting but it shouldn't be any more of a concern than with orals.  It's the estradiol level in your system that matters, not the method of delivery.  But liver damage from injections? If she was worried about liver damage she'd have suggested you go to transdermals or injections. One of the primary benefits of transdermals and injections is there is no liver damage.

Quote from: TinkerbellIn addition to being my endocrinologist, she is also my psychiatrist, and the reason why I am still writing this post right now,  my angel without wings :angel:

Well, obviously your happiness and well being are more important than another cup size. ::)
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BrandiOK

Everyone has a different opinion of what is best and for different reasons it seems.  My personal experience was I started out on oral estrogen but after a lot of research it started to make me nervous.

  The high doses of estrogen that must be taken orally does increase the chances of clotting and is very hard on your liver.  A liver function test should be done before your endo prescribes any estrogen. Even a healthy liver, which can normally handle the extra load, can eventually suffer damage after long term exposure.  I thought maybe the transdermal patch might be an option but recent discoveries have shown that many of these patches are releasing huge amounts of estrogen much quicker than they were designed to which means the clotting issue raises it's ugly head again.  Since oral estrogen was out and the patch was proving to be just as, or even more, dangerous I chose to go to injections.

  The theory behind the safety of them is because the estrogen is injected deeply into the large muscle groups it is absorbed into the system at a much slower, therefore safer, rate and less estrogen is needed overall. My endo has fully supported this decision and my reasons for them so I'll continue my intramuscular injections until some other research study comes out and says this method is unsafe also LOL.  I have always hated needles despite the fact I spent years working EMS.  There is something inherently wrong about sticking something like that into your own body but considering the options I gladly stick myself every other week.

  Any estrogen is going to increase your chance of clotting.  Learn the pro's and con's of ingestion, absorbtion and injection. Try to avoid the behaviors that may increase the chance of clotting such as smoking.  Make sure your endo is very experienced in not just HRT but in HRT as it pertains to transgendered individuals, there is a difference.  Don't take your endo's word as gold...research the informantion that he or she gives you and make your own decision or even consult another endo for thier opinion.  An extra doctor visit is a small price to pay for your life.

  I just realized I got off topic a little there.  Obviously it depends on how much estrogen you are injecting as to how much is being released but your endo should be monitoring your estrogen levels during this process to make sure you are at a "safe" level.  I noticed a difference in breast tenderness when I switched from oral to injections but it was short lived.  The breast growth issues isn't so much based on the method of estrogen of administration but of levels and genetics.  My breast size has easily passed my roommates size by double in the same amount of time on the same dosages and administration method.  Her mother was small breasted and my mother was large breasted.
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Julie Marie

Quote from: BrandiOK on August 31, 2006, 09:15:31 PM
I thought maybe the transdermal patch might be an option but recent discoveries have shown that many of these patches are releasing huge amounts of estrogen much quicker than they were designed to which means the clotting issue raises it's ugly head again.

I was on transdermals for a year. I experienced breast growth of about a cup size & a half. But my estradiol DROPPED from 57 to 24. My doctor told me the transdermals "just aren't working".  So, for me anyway, transdermals did nothing to raise the estradiol levels in my body.

As far as experiencing breast growth with less estradiol in my body, he was baffled as he had never seen this before. The only thing I can come up with to explain it is from an Avodart ad which warns that one may experience breast tenderness and swelling. To the best of my knowledge, these meds are androgen blockers. The lower T levels can result in breast tenderness and swelling in some individuals and maybe I'm one of them.  If the injections can get my estradiol levels where my doctor wants them, I'm guessing that will mean an increase in breast growth.

I'm in construction, not medicine, so all this is supposition on my part. I'm just trying to prepare myself for what may come next as it's already impossible to hide the fact I have boobs. But anymore growth will certainly raise some eyebrows on the job and could create problems for me.  Construction workers aren't very open minded individuals.
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jade

I can't reference it but I have actually read a medical paper somewhere stating that 'Estradiol Valerate' injectable is the most superior form of estrogen you can get. Pills and patches are annoying and a waste of time in my opinion.
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MeghanAndrews

LOL! Julie, I read this and I was like "Hmmm, Julie's starting shots? After surgery, after BA? and her boobs are growing again? Transition into overdrive, huh?" Then I saw the date. I was like "whoa!" Meghan :)
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Myself

I am always curious what's meant by tender.
I am not a native english speaker and didn't manage to find any good explanation yet.

Over a year ago when I been on estrogens I remember have a lot of pain there.. unfourtunally I had to stop for a year and started estrogens a month ago, still waiting for my pains and hoping they will return ;-;
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LordKAT

Tender is sore but not to the extent of pain. Usually worse when gentle pressure is applied.
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Julie Marie

Quote from: MeghanAndrews on August 29, 2009, 08:56:17 PM
LOL! Julie, I read this and I was like "Hmmm, Julie's starting shots? After surgery, after BA? and her boobs are growing again? Transition into overdrive, huh?" Then I saw the date. I was like "whoa!" Meghan :)

Yeah, a blast from the past!  Funny thing is that I thought "I don't remember posting this" then I saw the date and had to laugh.

I will add that, even after all this time, the injections had little or no effect on breast growth after I switched from transdermals.  But that's just me.  I guess there's other factors at work here too.  Many of my friends talk of changes I have not experienced.  I've come to the conclusion my body just didn't want to change.  :laugh:

Julie
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sweetstars

Sometimes injections do nothing.  I should know, every girl on injections I know had no breast growth.  High doses of pills did very little.  I started and stayed on low dosages and I had very good growth (36 C).  I am not even sure age plays a huge factor.

The point being is there is no garuntees with injections, if you are going to get very low breast growth, it will be low breast growth in a short period.  My doctor actually said it best, injections speeds things up a bit, but they don't really improve things.  He also suggest the rapid speed is not always a good thing because it does not always result in natural growth patterns.  So its not necessarily an improvement.  Injections are not a silver bullet, they are really just another option.  Every girl I know who went on injections ended up with BA surgery.  They went on injections because they were getting poor results to begin with and hoping for improvement.  The problem is they were going to get poor results one way or another. 
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