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Britan, is it over for Labour

Started by Lucy, October 10, 2009, 04:29:18 PM

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Lucy

I cant help descusing this with the wife, whats right, Labour, conservative, Libral, BMP. What do you know, what do you baleive, whats right n wrong. Where does our contry stand, have we lost the plot or just a blip in dirction. Help me decide, how do you feel?
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finewine

Governing a society, economy, etc. is extremely difficult - as a result, they'll all screw up sooner or later...then the electorate gets cheesed off and votes in someone else.  This means it's more a matter of who's right "for now".

I don't think the Liberal party represents a credible government and, under the current climate, it's got to favour a Conservative win at the next election.

I hope neither I, nor my progeny, ever live to see the BNP come to government.  It's a shame they have any seats at all.
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Cindy

Looking from a far to the old country,

Labour seems to have run its natural life for this cycle. Tories I have no idea of any policy, there seems to be some wealth involved in the "leader". Liberals, when I was a pom they were just too small a party, has that changed? Jeremy someone was the leader; Peter Cook famously described him as a player of the pink Oboe, took me ages to understand that, I was young.

What are BNP ? 
Has the UK gone basically to a presidential type of politics? What are the major issues?

I suppose that the UK is about the only member of the Coalition of the Idiots that hasn't changed parties?

Interested
Cindy
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finewine

Quote from: CindyJames on October 11, 2009, 02:28:10 AM
Looking from a far to the old country,

Labour seems to have run its natural life for this cycle. Tories I have no idea of any policy, there seems to be some wealth involved in the "leader". Liberals, when I was a pom they were just too small a party, has that changed?

They're still "small", in comparison with the primary two - but not small like the various fringe parties like the Green Party or UK Independence bunch.

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What are BNP ?

The old "national front" in a suit, if you remember the NF.  In short: racists.
 
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Has the UK gone basically to a presidential type of politics? What are the major issues?

The usual jobs, economy, housing, health, etc..  I heard a good quote on my favorite morning radio news show the other day...

"The British electorate want Swedish-quality public services at United States federal tax rates"

(Probably not a UK specific phenomenon I imagine)
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DarkLady

LD party is actually the closest to the mainstream public opinion and the political center. However they do not have money or media support needed to  the victory. A little bit more right in economic issues and the party would have a perfect platform for the British middle class voters.  However Labour may come back sooner than is generally believed. The tory party is still ideologically strongly right wing and it will be seen in the policy. Lab may very well rise in 2014/2015 general election again.
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finewine

Well, the Liberal Democrats have been struggling in recent years to differentiate themselves substantially from "New" Labour, which is a huge problem for them (more so than money or media coverage, I'd say).

I'm not sure if I can agree that the Conservatives are still strongly right wing - I'm sure there are individual members who may be but then you have individual members who are strongly left wing in Labour too.  All three parties seem to be jostling around the centre; some a little left of centre, some a little right.

I don't envy the politicians of any party - governing a country is complicated and hard...but screwing up is easy - and usually *very* visible too :)
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Pippa

Yes Gordon's clowns are gone.   I cannot believe people believed the hype in 1997.  It is Harold Wilson all over again.   We know what the problems are we just need to throw money at them.    How many billion for computer systems that don't work, 500 million for a Scottish parliament that was estimated to cost 50 million, billions on ID cards that are unecessary and with biometrics that don't work. Let's have a new law every week, even if there is an existing law that will already do the job, oh and let it be written incorrectly.  As for prudence, we sold gold reserves at the bottom of the market, let the city regulate itself and now have to sell off not only the few assets the crown still has left (again at the bottom of the market), we are also going to take things central government doesn't own (local authority land and buildings) and sell them as well.

We broke parliamentary rules, ignored constitutional conventions and voted for a speaker, from our party, who had no control of parliament and let us do as we wished.

People also seem to forget that Tony Blair gave Brown complete control of domestic policy whilst he was in number 10.

I suspect Labour wil now be out of power for a generation. 
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Chrissty

Marget Thatcher sold the family silver to push extreme
policies and then buy votes. Every successive party
leader has followed her lead, slowly destroying the moral
and value of the country.

Europe is just another money pit, and retirement home for
ex-politicians...

Unfortunately we will continue to sink with any of them in
power...

..and the voices of reason are silenced by the major party
spin doctors.

Chrissty
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