Quote from: Kyle :3 on September 24, 2009, 04:10:07 PMShe doesnt want me to bind because she thinks ill flatten my breasts permanetly

That's the point.

11 year old sk8er dude.

Learn the tic-tac, 360, and nose wheelie, you'll be cooooooool.

I think you pass very well, you look about 14-15, maybe 16

I agree with people about the hair, it doesn't need to be shorter.. it just needs to be a bit flatter and less puffy I think that will look more male

In the photo, you pass as a very cute young teen guy... around 15 yrs old... and I can see some chest, but its not rly noticeable... about binding you can try other things since your mom took your binder away, or try to convince her to give it back. Educate her, look up websites about binding and show her that it'll make you more comfortable with yourself. Make a deal with her, that if she lets you have it back then you'll keep your grades up or something. Let her know about dysphoria and depression, and by keeping it from you that you're at risk for that... or that she'll just ruin your guys' relationship... or something in that sense...

Since I made this thread I cut my hair. It looks like this
I know my chest is noticeable because I wasnt binding. I now wear two sports bras at the same time and it works pretty well

I liked your old haircut.

Yeah, the old hairstyle worked better...

uggh you people.
My hair looks better than that sometimes. Its just really poofy I cant do much about it. :/

Quote from: Kyle XD on October 27, 2009, 01:57:53 PM
uggh you people.
My hair looks better than that sometimes. Its just really poofy I cant do much about it. :/

Clipper #4!

(I'll start my trusty two-stroke sheep shears...rrrrring-tin-tin-tin-tin-titty-tin-tin)

The only suggestion I can make is to get your hair shortened at the back, so that you don't have those wispy strands.  (I have curly hair, too, so I get those as well).  You could try a hair straightener for the rest of the hair, but they are a bother to deal with, or you could go to a salon and get it thinned and layered.  Yes, they tend to give you feminine haircuts, but if you ask for a very specific cut, they will not.  Make sure you bring a picture or stress it to be a man's cut.

Quote from: Jörgen, on September 23, 2009, 06:18:57 PM

Very boyish. Don't agree with Tristan about the hair.

Me neither.  You look like my guitarist, dude.

It's times like this that I'm convinced that TS persons are WAY more nit-picky about "who looks like a guy / girl" than everybody else in the world.


A word of advice that goes for everybody:
Being comfortable with how one looks REALLY DOES show through in your every-day interactions.  If you look "masculine enough" and are presenting yourself as a guy, and are comfortable with "just masculine enough", then you'll pass as a guy with little or no issue (I'm not going to speak to what TS women have to go through just to pass, cos frankly, this society has some quacked-up notions of what looks "woman enough").  If you don't THINK you look "man enough" and you think beefing up and getting a buzz-cut is the only think that will make you look "man enough", then that will show through if you don't look like that.  Solution?  Cut your hair, beef up, and more power to you.  On the other hand, if you want to look like an Indie boy, and that's where you're most comfortable, then go ahead and do that -- I will say, though, working off the "birthing hips" and taking testosterone will definitely help TS Indie Boys appear more "male" in public (cos it will alter your bone structure and drop your voice -- these changes *typically* only take 4-6 weeks to start getting noticed, I'm serious), but if you're comfortable with the same kinds of haircuts that Emo and Indie boys have, then don't let anybody else tell you what you "have to" look like "to pass".  Get your T as soon as you can, bind the breasticles, and maybe work in a few sit-ups in the morning if you think it'll help.  But if you want to look like an Indie boy, chances are good that most of your friends are other Indie boys, and you go to places with other Indie boys, so you'll blend right in.

On the other hand, if you want to hang out at the gym all day and look like you stepped out of a Tom of Finland drawing (erotic artist -- I will not link from here, but I will want you that he's very NSFW), then looking like an Indie boy won't help you "pass as a guy" amongst guys that do that.

ETA:
Testosterone also redistributes fat like woah.  Females typically put on fat firswt in their hips/thighs/butt region and at the sides of the waist -- males typically first put it on in the belly.  So yeah, T really helps if you want to look like an Indie boy, cos fat distro is one of those things that "flags" others about another person's gender but it's just so commonplace that most people don't realise they're seeing it, if that makes sense.

Quote from: YoungSoulRebel on October 27, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
Me neither.  You look like my guitarist, dude.

It's times like this that I'm convinced that TS persons are WAY more nit-picky about "who looks like a guy / girl" than everybody else in the world.


A word of advice that goes for everybody:
Being comfortable with how one looks REALLY DOES show through in your every-day interactions.  If you look "masculine enough" and are presenting yourself as a guy, and are comfortable with "just masculine enough", then you'll pass as a guy with little or no issue (I'm not going to speak to what TS women have to go through just to pass, cos frankly, this society has some quacked-up notions of what looks "woman enough").  If you don't THINK you look "man enough" and you think beefing up and getting a buzz-cut is the only think that will make you look "man enough", then that will show through if you don't look like that.  Solution?  Cut your hair, beef up, and more power to you.  On the other hand, if you want to look like an Indie boy, and that's where you're most comfortable, then go ahead and do that -- I will say, though, working off the "birthing hips" and taking testosterone will definitely help TS Indie Boys appear more "male" in public (cos it will alter your bone structure and drop your voice -- these changes *typically* only take 4-6 weeks to start getting noticed, I'm serious), but if you're comfortable with the same kinds of haircuts that Emo and Indie boys have, then don't let anybody else tell you what you "have to" look like "to pass".  Get your T as soon as you can, bind the breasticles, and maybe work in a few sit-ups in the morning if you think it'll help.  But if you want to look like an Indie boy, chances are good that most of your friends are other Indie boys, and you go to places with other Indie boys, so you'll blend right in.

On the other hand, if you want to hang out at the gym all day and look like you stepped out of a Tom of Finland drawing (erotic artist -- I will not link from here, but I will want you that he's very NSFW), then looking like an Indie boy won't help you "pass as a guy" amongst guys that do that.

Amen to that. Ive noticed the guys who passed best are the confident ones. I like what i look like, I would never get a buzz cut.(well im shaving my head for cancer in march but i digress...) If you try too hard to look like a guy youll look wrong. Its all about being yourself anyway.
Haha I do look like your guitarist a lil.

Quote from: Kyle XD on October 27, 2009, 09:28:04 PM
Amen to that. Ive noticed the guys who passed best are the confident ones. I like what i look like, I would never get a buzz cut.(well im shaving my head for cancer in march but i digress...) If you try too hard to look like a guy youll look wrong. Its all about being yourself anyway.
Haha I do look like your guitarist a lil.

Yeah, and he's 5'6", so he's kind of on the short side for natal males.  And this guy is Joe Talcum from The Dead Milkmen -- it was taken around 1987, so he was in his mid-twenties then, but his hair was longer than yours, and aside from some apparent jaw corners, I think he looked more "feminine", in how soft his face was then.  He's also, I kid you not, 5'4" (I've met him, and I'm 5'2" -- my room-mate though we were the same height); but he has apparent stubble and a bit of an Adam's apple.  But prominent apples mean nothing -- my guitarist's isn't prominent at all -- as long as one can throw off enough "masculine" signals (which T really can help with), you're going to look "man enough" to most people.

Seriously, I think you look "man enough", but if you want tips on accentuating your masculine qualities, I can offer some advice that worked for me (and I literally couldn't "pass as male" before surgery, and my biggest help has been testosterone -- but, according to my friends, certain social habits helped a lot more in that three or four months between op and T than I tend to give them credit for).  My point is that beefing up and cutting hair are totally optional -- if that's not the kind of guy you want to be, you'll only seem really insecure as you're doing it, and yeah, you may look more "masculine", but it'll be at the cost of confidence.  Better to appear young and androgynous with confidence than to be "that awkward / obnoxious guy".  Serious, nobody likes "that awkward / obnoxious guy".

Little guys rock! 

OMG Joe Talcum? The Dead Milkmen are my favorite band EVER. Damn YouTube for taking their videos off, esp. the Peter Bazooka and Smokin' Banana Peels ones are brilliant and now no one can see them.

Hah Tom of Finland rocks! In an ideal world I'd be one of his motorcycle cops bike and all .... and the girls would climb all over me heh heh!