Yes shrugs are just that, shrugging with weights.

Quote from: alex k on October 14, 2009, 04:35:14 AMI was being serious honest, I'm so fed up of going to the gym telling the instuctors that i want to gain muscle as in big muscle and being given exercises that tone you up rather than building anything cos obviously women don't want big muscles!!!

See, I'd rather tone up.  I was on the weight team in high school (yay for "no sex discrimination in activities" policies), and I'm tired of being thick.  Toned looks better in suits; "thick" looks better in... actually, I'm at a loss here.  I can't think of anything that looks good over large muscles.  Speedos?  Hell if I know.

NO ONE here has large enough muscles to make clothes look odd.

if by thick you mean padded lol. well, you can lose that.

I don't necessarily mean "padded" -- I mean that my legs look like those on the paintings of athletes on old Grecian vases, and I don't like the way suit trou look on thick legs.

Slender and lightly toned (think more James Dean than young Paul Newman or Jamie Bamber) is what I think looks best for men.  Not to say that a young Newman or Bamber are unattractive blokes, I just think they look better with less clothes than with more.  And I don't mean that necessarily in a pervy way; I mean that obvious musculature looks better when one can see it.  But I prefer men in suits (serious, it's a borderline paraphilia for me), and it just makes no sense to cover up well-crafted musculature with all that clothing -- in part cos I think all that extra clothing creates the illusion of a stockier physique.

I'm not expecting this to make much sense to anybody else here -- I just think that different... "physique goals" shouldn't be discouraged with such phraseology as "less like men".  Anyway, I have a rather short neck (like Dean, but no-where near as good-looking as him, if you ask me), so building up the surrounding musculature would, in my opinion, make my head look like a butt-plug (I wish I had a better way to say that).