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This would be a whole lot easier if_______?

Started by Elizabeth, September 09, 2006, 09:29:15 PM

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Hazumu

...I didn't have to deal with Real Life while transition happened.

Just stop the world, let me get off and then back on in three years. (C'mon, a girl c'n dream, can't she?)

Okay, something more realistic.  ...I didn't have to worry about shocks -- major life upheavals like cars that die or traffic accidents, unfair treatment at work, family members that totally reject me because I'm finally becoming my true self, etc -- until after transition is substantially completed.  Is there some sort of Transition Insurance Policy I can buy that will indemnify me against such bad stuff?

Karen
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umop ap!sdn

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Jessica

This would be a whole lot easier if I could perform ONE action, just one, without facing a karmic penalty for it.  Like a 'get out of karma free' card.

OR

This would be a whole lot easier if I were an atheist.
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grazia

coming to the root of the problem, if i'd never been born. Being not so drastic, if people were so kind to try to understand my situation.
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umop ap!sdn

Quote from: Jessica on September 11, 2006, 08:52:46 AMThis would be a whole lot easier if I were an atheist.
We have cookies (I'm kidding, I'm kidding!)

In all seriousness, I guess it does make some things easier but my counsellor says that it can be good to have a spiritual community to turn to for support. I don't know what your beliefs are and therefore which community you can turn to, but I certainly hope they would support you in this! ;)
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fusi

this would be a whole lot easier if i knew my family would accept it, which i know down to my core that they wont.

oh, and winning the lottery :p
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umop ap!sdn

I hope my comment about the cookies isn't in bad taste, knowing what I know now that I didn't know then.  :-\
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Melissa

Don't worry, if your cookies taste bad, we won't eat them. ;)

Melissa
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umop ap!sdn

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nonie

Quote from: Julie Marie on September 10, 2006, 09:38:25 AM
Life would be a whole lot easier if today's society had adopted the beliefs of the Native Americans.  Back then we were called Berdache and Two Spirit.  They believed our presence in their tribes was a blessing from the Gods.  They recognized we could relate to both male and female alike.  It was considered a gift.  We were often healers, counselors, tribal chiefs and held other places of respect and honor. 

Being accepted and respected for who I am, not how I look, that's all I ask for.

Being a Two Spirit back then, I wonder if I'd be seeking physical change like I am now.  Something tells me no.


I thought "berdache" was a little offensive...  It's one of those French slurs--like Sioux (snake--meaning "kept boy" or prostitute...  I could be wrong, that's just what I read about it, though I know people don't mean it that way.  Like the whites calling my peeps "Chippewa" which was just them being too lazy to say Ojibwe.  Not really offensive but not respectful either...

Sometimes I get a little sad thinking about what Native society might be like today if it had been allowed to proceed on its own instead of being being stamped out.  My dad grew up in a white foster home, and my Ojibwe language teacher was from the generation of kids they put in boarding schools and beat if they spoke the native language.  But my dad was actually courted by the Navy because he was Native and they assumed he would be able to speak Navajo...  When they found out he couldn't (not even close to the right tribe, and brainwashed to boot) they kind of marginalized him.

In the Native culture I might have been more accepted, yeah, but I dunno, I think I'd still find my body parts incorrect and just be unable to do anything about it.  If native society was still intact right up to modern day and I could have access to hormones somehow, well, that would be awesome. 

But then, I'm 3/4 Scandanavian so maybe I should be more worried about the plight of the Fins or something :P

What would make everything easier?  If they could grow me a real penis.  I would have started transitioning when I was 18 if that was possible, but knowing it wasn't was the main reason I ruled transition out.
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Joseph

going with what Dawn said, things would be a whole lot easier if I had just been a boy when I was born. 

but, getting (only slightly) closer to reality, things would be a whole lot easier for me if:

* scientists figured out what in the brain defines gender
* then developed a way to test for gender between the ears
* and paved the way for GID to be viewed in the same way as being born with any other physical defect where it is considered "normal" to attempt to fix it with an operation
* and therefore got rid of the social stigma.

::sigh::
Joseph
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umop ap!sdn

Step 1 would seem to be well on its way, specifically the BSTc. :)
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Joseph

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Quote from: umop ap!sdn on September 15, 2006, 10:37:21 PM
Step 1 would seem to be well on its way, specifically the BSTc. :)

Not as well on its way as I'd like:

"But a study by Wilson C.J. Chung and colleagues published in the 1 February 2002 Journal of Neuroscience complicates this picture. This group, also from the Netherlands Institute for Brain Research, reported that BSTc size differentiation between men and women became significant only in adulthood, implying that the phenomenon may be more effect than cause."

www dot ehponline dot org/members/2005/113-10/focus.html

I've felt like a boy my entire life.  If the BSTc doesn't become sexually dimorphic until adulthood, there's something else going on between the ears.  Plus to my knowledge, all we have on the BSTc topic are those two studies from 1995 and 2000, and very few scientists out there are trying to figure out what causes GID / defines gender in the brain.  This is why I said "only slightly" closer to reality.

Joseph
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Kim

Hi Elizabeth,
  Before I answer may I offer some information to you that was in your post? TG,TS,IS etc is what we are, but it does not decide or have anything to do with our sexual orientation. Think for a minute where you point out some 'experts' say where a TG,TS,IS etc is attracted to person who is same sex as your birth sex. This seems to be based on some social concept to me. They seem to be saying that as women we should be attracted to men (and vice versa on the other side of the coin). If this statement held true then why do we have gay men or lesbians in the world? I am, as was just diagnosed, an IS and am turned off heavily by men. I am still deeply attracted to my wife, and her to me luckily. I have organs,brain etc of a woman, in other words totally woman but I am proudly lesbian. Hope this helps you.
   The one thing that I would wish for is that my mom stops her denial and accept me as the daughter I really am. As for learning earlier, I feel God held it inside me hiding it as long as He did for a reason, such as I have my doubts my wife would've said I do if we knew earlier. My opinon mind you. And I would've probably blamed myself more for the rape I endured a lot more at the time (counselling would've changed that) and suicide would've been stronger I think.
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Terra

Well, since I could wish all I want to transition as a teen, I know it is prbably best that i'm 22 and in the midst of transitioning. As a teen I was living in a mid-western town of 5000 and having two parents brought up in strict religious homes. (Catholic) Despite all their preaching of tolorance I knew they would ignore any indications of me being trans unless I forced it on them, then it would have gotten nasty. When I can out last year and to this day they still haven't changed their attitudes from what I feared they would, and I hold little hope now for any change in the future.

No, what I truly think would make this whole process easier is if I could get a female roomate who was my friend. One who wouldn't necissarily go out of her way or think this is all 'neat' or 'cool'. But one who wouldn't be ashamed,fear, or let me dress in something that looks terrible on me. A girl who would help me learn the ropes and to fit in as best as possible.

That or maybe slightly smaller feet. ;)
"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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Shana A

... if when a child is born, nobody immediately labeled them as a certain gender based on anatomy. Let a child wait until they grow up to choose which gender they want to be, if any. ;D

that would've made my life easier

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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nonie

Quote from: zythyra on September 21, 2006, 12:56:45 PM
... if when a child is born, nobody immediately labeled them as a certain gender based on anatomy. Let a child wait until they grow up to choose which gender they want to be, if any. ;D

that would've made my life easier

Zythyra

That's kinda what my mom tried to do.  I'll do it for mine too.
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umop ap!sdn

Quote from: zythyra on September 21, 2006, 12:56:45 PM
... if when a child is born, nobody immediately labeled them as a certain gender based on anatomy. Let a child wait until they grow up to choose which gender they want to be, if any. ;D
Hear hear! :)
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sheila18

i have thought this one  and my first and last answer is i have no regrets!
however in between the first and last answer  :D...well i would have had a few things changed ...

  • I had started shoping at Kaufman's and Macy's  Women's dept store earlier
  • I had not been so trusty of people that called themselves my friends at work just to get the dirt on me and then backstab me
  • I agree liking  and enjoying to live with men would make it easier
  • Iron clad law that penalizes managers that allow or cultivate descrimination towards TGs, and support total custody of children
  • my aunt used to say that i should had been born a woman, i wish i had said : Yes! how are you gonna help (i was 15)
  • that the militay supported LGBT lifestyles ...certainly it would have made a difference then and now with my vet bills and any HRT medication

but all that pain is worth the life i have with my kids and grand kids, no regrets :D  truelly
sheila18
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