Moobs sticking out at the sides by the armpits is what makes 'em moobs instead of pecs. If there was some garment that didn't squeeze the moobs down so much as shape 'em, into pec shape, that would be a very good thing. Cisguys, almost all of them, carry quite an amount of mass on their chests, it's amazing. Fat cisguys have a sort of moob situation, too. But fit cisguys are either very flat and thin, typically those are very young, or have pecs that amount to the same cubic mass as our moobs, just in a different shape.

I've been saying that forever, Alex. When I push mine down and to the sides, they look about as close to a male chest, with binder on, as I think I can get with current technology. I have a binder that's a size too big, and they do squeeze out the sides on it, but with the one I wear currently, they don't. The sleeves are sufficient to constrain anything.

CCC, I got a medium last time I bought binders. At the time, I weighed 250 (I'm 5'6"). Now I'm down to 200, and the medium is pretty loose on me, so I'm thinking I'll get smalls when I order the new ones. Don't know if this helps with relation in sizing, but my waist before, when I got the medium, was about 40", and I was a 38 B/C (I know, that part hasn't changed much). My waist now is 34". What I'm pretty sure works when ordering from Underworks is to take your measurements as they suggest, then buy the size below what they suggest. That's what I did, and it tends to work with everything but the Double Front Compression binder. I bought a couple of those awhile back, and not only were they nearly too tight to get on, but they were miserably uncomfortable.

SD

Quote from: Morgan on October 09, 2009, 10:01:30 AM
I bind, and I'm a 32D (IE, a straw with two peas stuffed down it, so my GF's mom says lol ). I generally use self adhesive ace bandage, it works pretty well but slides down and doesn't breathe well. Eew@being slimy at the end of the day :C

I just ordered model 1700 from T-kingdom and the double compression shirt or something from underworks. I'm excited to try them~ I'm thinking of returning my T-kingdom one if it doesn't work AMAZINGLY. 70$ is too much for me :c Starving college student, FTL.

I'll post again once I get one of them.

hey im poor too, your lucky you can afford one! Can't wait to hear your review!

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Quote from: CyanideSeann on October 11, 2009, 05:14:54 PM
I have a T-Kingdom 980 model - it did the job fine until the first wash, when the sides of the elasticky-binding bit started to stick outwards. I've ended up wearing the binder to flatten out my chest, then taping down the sides with surgical tape, to keep my chest looking smooth. Don't do this guys. I know it's easier said than done, and I still do it in 'emergencies' (e.g. wearing a tank top counts as an emergency to me...), but I now have two symmetrical patches of dry skin near my armpits ¬¬ I'm still using it, but just wearing a tight cami top over the binder and under my regular clothes.

It does flatten my chest out quite well, but I think it's because I'm only an A cup anyway, I can't see it working for anything bigger. I could get pictures if anyone would find it helpful...?

ouch, that sucks. You should ask them for a return for a crappy product! Pictures may be helpful.

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Quote from: Alex_C on October 28, 2009, 01:30:33 AM
Moobs sticking out at the sides by the armpits is what makes 'em moobs instead of pecs. If there was some garment that didn't squeeze the moobs down so much as shape 'em, into pec shape, that would be a very good thing.

I concure, there should be a binder that shapes, not just squish! hmm...

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Quote from: Sebastien on October 28, 2009, 01:56:27 AM
CCC, I got a medium last time I bought binders. At the time, I weighed 250 (I'm 5'6"). Now I'm down to 200, and the medium is pretty loose on me, so I'm thinking I'll get smalls when I order the new ones. Don't know if this helps with relation in sizing, but my waist before, when I got the medium, was about 40", and I was a 38 B/C (I know, that part hasn't changed much). My waist now is 34". What I'm pretty sure works when ordering from Underworks is to take your measurements as they suggest, then buy the size below what they suggest. That's what I did, and it tends to work with everything but the Double Front Compression binder. I bought a couple of those awhile back, and not only were they nearly too tight to get on, but they were miserably uncomfortable.

SD

Ok... so I want to buy the double front compression shirt style 997, and the site says im a small. Should I go with the small, the xsmall, or the medium?

I used to have an underworks binder. Even though it was tight I never thought it hurt. It was perfect for me and then my mother took it away from me. I tried just wearing a sports bra but it didnt work. I felt disgusting and people could see my breasts. I now wear two sports bra at once. Its not perfect but under casual inspection my chest looks male.

Quote from: Kyle XD on October 28, 2009, 02:00:43 PM
I used to have an underworks binder. Even though it was tight I never thought it hurt. It was perfect for me and then my mother took it away from me. I tried just wearing a sports bra but it didnt work. I felt disgusting and people could see my breasts. I now wear two sports bra at once. Its not perfect but under casual inspection my chest looks male.

I'm sorry your mom took it away, that blows, did she throw it away too? Maybe you can take it back and replace it with something similar looking lol

Quote from: Elijah3291 on October 28, 2009, 02:25:57 PM
I'm sorry your mom took it away, that blows, did she throw it away too? Maybe you can take it back and replace it with something similar looking lol

No I think shes just hiding it bleh

Quote from: Kyle XD on October 28, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
No I think shes just hiding it bleh

:/ look for it!... so how did it work? I hear people say its too tight, that they have trouble breathing... but I think that maybe they got it too small, or should've gotten the extreme chest concealer without mid section compression...?

Quote from: ccc on October 28, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
:/ look for it!... so how did it work? I hear people say its too tight, that they have trouble breathing... but I think that maybe they got it too small, or should've gotten the extreme chest concealer without mid section compression...?

I do have trouble breathing occasionally but I just move it when I do. It worked pretty well for me.

Judging by the double fronts I got, I'd say go with the size the site tells you to.

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Okay, so I was doing some unpacking (yes, 2 months after moving in) and found the binders that were too small for me. Turns out, the microfiber concealer whatever was a medium, which means I've been wearing a large all this time. The cotton concealer muscle tees must have been the mediums I wore, because I remember buying mediums initially.

However, this gives me the opportunity to perhaps be kind to those of you who really need binders but are poor, because these two binders I found do NOT fit me, even now, and it's way too late (like by 2 years) to send them back. So... I have a microfiber concealer T-shirt and a double front compression vest. Both are medium, I'm guessing, because only the microfiber has a tag. I've never worn them, just tried my damnedest to pull them over my head and failed. They're both black. Since I know there are quite a few guys on here who need them, I'd prefer to send each to a separate person. I'm good sending them off free of charge, if you'll just pay the shipping, since I'm poor, and be patient with me, because it could take up to a week after you contact me with shipping info for me to actually get to the post office. Let me know, guys.

SD

Sebastian I think they are too big for me at 5'4" and 150+ (!) lbs that's more muscle than fat, pic I'm using as an avatar is taken last week.

I think when I'm ready I'll just send off for some 997's, you get a price break for 3 of them at a time. Comes under $100 with shipping. The thing is, now we're heading into winter ... that means more layers so I may be able to push it off into Spring.

Quote from: Sebastien on October 28, 2009, 04:54:29 PM
Judging by the double fronts I got, I'd say go with the size the site tells you to.

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Okay, so I was doing some unpacking (yes, 2 months after moving in) and found the binders that were too small for me. Turns out, the microfiber concealer whatever was a medium, which means I've been wearing a large all this time. The cotton concealer muscle tees must have been the mediums I wore, because I remember buying mediums initially.

However, this gives me the opportunity to perhaps be kind to those of you who really need binders but are poor, because these two binders I found do NOT fit me, even now, and it's way too late (like by 2 years) to send them back. So... I have a microfiber concealer T-shirt and a double front compression vest. Both are medium, I'm guessing, because only the microfiber has a tag. I've never worn them, just tried my damnedest to pull them over my head and failed. They're both black. Since I know there are quite a few guys on here who need them, I'd prefer to send each to a separate person. I'm good sending them off free of charge, if you'll just pay the shipping, since I'm poor, and be patient with me, because it could take up to a week after you contact me with shipping info for me to actually get to the post office. Let me know, guys.

SD

Itd be nice to finally have one, but I think they may be a bit too big for me, or the double front at least. Which is the microfiber concealer?

Style 998 on Underworks. By the way, unless Alistair feels like giving up his right to it, the double front is spoken for.

Quote from: Sebastien on October 28, 2009, 10:15:54 PM
Style 998 on Underworks. By the way, unless Alistair feels like giving up his right to it, the double front is spoken for.

:/ darn, that ones too big also.

Right-o.

I'm 5'5", 150lbs, and last time I tried on a bra it was a 36C. I do all my laundry by hand, and either line-dry or rack-dry it; I wouldn't recommend dryer-ing anything made primarily out of spandex. The heat's no good for it.

I have an 801 zip-front from T-kingdom, and it wasn't worth the money I paid. At all. It's great for around the house; I might be able to wear it under a loose button-down shirt; but sure as hell not under a t-shirt. It's also frustrating that even with an undershirt between it and whatever else I'm wearing, there's a little bump where the zipper is. Yes, even medium-knit sweaters. Great for dealing with chest-dysphoria, not so great for trying to pass. Maybe if moobs were all I had against me.

The binder I use for daily activities is the 997(?) double-front from underworks, which has chest and stomach compression. It's an XS, and the first week I wore it, it was only for a few hours at a time. I had to wear a skin underneath it (lightweight slick sports compression shirt) and my partner helped physically wrangle it on over my head. I needed the help; when I tried to get it on myself, I ended up tearing the skin off the back of my shoulders. Ouch. Yes, it was too small. After a week of that, we could both get it on me without anything under it; or I could get it on myself if I stepped into it. I'd pull it up backwards, up over my hips, and then turn it inside-out as I pulled it up the rest of the way, so it'd be on right. After another two weeks (a month in total) I could get it on myself over my head and now only have trouble on days when my shoulders are really sore.

It was worth the work stretching it out; it's wonderful now, binds well (but not too much on the stomach) and as a bonus has improved my posture because I'm not slumping to hide my chest. If I pull them up and out just a bit, so the nipples are where they'd be on a cis-guy, I have what I've been told is a very realistic chest-shape for a young man.

Definitely recommend the double-front, and order it small. It was worth the work, and works beautifully.

Quote from: CodyJess on October 28, 2009, 10:47:47 PM
Right-o.

I'm 5'5", 150lbs, and last time I tried on a bra it was a 36C. I do all my laundry by hand, and either line-dry or rack-dry it; I wouldn't recommend dryer-ing anything made primarily out of spandex. The heat's no good for it.

I have an 801 zip-front from T-kingdom, and it wasn't worth the money I paid. At all. It's great for around the house; I might be able to wear it under a loose button-down shirt; but sure as hell not under a t-shirt. It's also frustrating that even with an undershirt between it and whatever else I'm wearing, there's a little bump where the zipper is. Yes, even medium-knit sweaters. Great for dealing with chest-dysphoria, not so great for trying to pass. Maybe if moobs were all I had against me.

The binder I use for daily activities is the 997(?) double-front from underworks, which has chest and stomach compression. It's an XS, and the first week I wore it, it was only for a few hours at a time. I had to wear a skin underneath it (lightweight slick sports compression shirt) and my partner helped physically wrangle it on over my head. I needed the help; when I tried to get it on myself, I ended up tearing the skin off the back of my shoulders. Ouch. Yes, it was too small. After a week of that, we could both get it on me without anything under it; or I could get it on myself if I stepped into it. I'd pull it up backwards, up over my hips, and then turn it inside-out as I pulled it up the rest of the way, so it'd be on right. After another two weeks (a month in total) I could get it on myself over my head and now only have trouble on days when my shoulders are really sore.

It was worth the work stretching it out; it's wonderful now, binds well (but not too much on the stomach) and as a bonus has improved my posture because I'm not slumping to hide my chest. If I pull them up and out just a bit, so the nipples are where they'd be on a cis-guy, I have what I've been told is a very realistic chest-shape for a young man.

Definitely recommend the double-front, and order it small. It was worth the work, and works beautifully.

Thanks for the input cody, when I get some money to finally buy it I will definitely go with the double front small... how was the stomach compression for you? Im looking forward to that, to straighten my sides out a bit(I've got a bit of baggage) :[... also I have heard bad reviews about tkingdom, that their quality is not worth their price compared to underworks.

Quote from: ccc on October 28, 2009, 04:10:53 PMI hear people say its too tight, that they have trouble breathing... but I think that maybe they got it too small, or should've gotten the extreme chest concealer without mid section compression...?

My Double Compression tank top was a little tight at first until I got used to it. When I bought the new one it fit perfectly (same size) so I'm guessing I just had to get used to wearing a binder. I find the Extreme Chest Concealer to not bind as well and is uncomfortable.

I'm 5'5 145 lbs. My chest is a large A/small B. I have the Underworks 983 Tri-Top in a size small. I had the same experience as Cody...the first few weeks, getting it on was really rough. I tore the skin off all my knuckles trying to pull it up from my feet up. I still can't get it on over my head. It makes my chest look quite passable and I'm very pleased with it. It's the shorter one so it kind of looks like a bra if you're just wearing it, but I don't really mind. This binder has two small problems that I've encountered. Sometimes the hem on the neck sticks out some and makes a weird bulge in my shirt. I always wear it with a t-shirt over it, then whatever other shirt I'm wearing that day. It works with everything from t-shirts to sweaters to button downs. The other problem is that if you have a bit of a gut or wide hips, it can accentuate them because it stops right at the top of your belly. Other than those two small problems, I'm very happy with the tri-top, but am still curious as to how it would compare to the other binders you guys are talking about. Oh, I also have the problem that was mentioned, how the moobs stick out the arm holes and make a weird fat shape. I don't like it but I don't think it's incredibly noticeable. That's just my opinion!

--Konnor

Do you bind?
-Yes.

If so, what do you use to bind?
-Flat sports bra from Walmart (I got 4 for $10... it was a good deal) & combined with a tight spandex body shaper top that I got a longgg time ago.

Does it work well, and give a good effect?
-It only works well with baggy clothes. If I'm nervous or stressed, I have a hard time taking deep breaths wearing all of it.

I'm thinking of getting the 801 from tkingdom despite the zipper issue dealy just to start. It's going to be my Christmas present to myself. Maybe.

when i first stated binding i used a large ace bandage. it didnt really work cuz if i did it tight i couldnt breathe and anything other than tight it would ride down my chest and end up on my ribs. i kept finding myself pulling it up, which felt like i was drawing too much attention to the situation. so then i was so desperate i used duct tape. horrible idea and i still hav the scars from it pulling my skin, although it made my chest look nice. rite now i use a sports bra but i dont like the feeling of it. the feeling of a bra makes me feel womanly, a feeling i dislike very much so. i just ordered a binder from underworks. i ordered the relaxed midsection one cuz i didnt want pressure on my stomach all day. its on its way in the mail and im lookin forward to not havin to wear a bra anymore.

Underworks used to have a coupon code that still worked for me back in the spring. It was "under10." Ten percent off your order. Maybe it still works.