Taxpayer-Funded ->-bleeped-<--Care? ObamaCare Could Mandate Free 'Sex-Change' Surgeries

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8/5/09

Transsexual activists like Autumn Sandeen (at left; that's his "female" name — adopted after leaving his traditional role as husband and father) are caught up in gender confusion. For some, this culminates in body-disfiguring operations to "change" into the opposite sex. No American should be forced to pay for these nature-rejecting procedures with his or her tax dollars. Homosexual groups like Human Rights Campaign boast of their support for taxpayer-funded "sex-change" operations in cities like San Francisco.

Sad to say the extreme right wing is going to succeed in killing the health care legislation.

"TRUTH"...

I'm not sure they understand the word.

I think that would be wonderful, as I am transitioning.  Unfortunately, I don't see it happening because Republicans and conservative Democrats will stop it. 

OK, putting on my chain-mail bikini, armor and closing the visor..

I for one really don't want to see the government paying for our surgeries.

I worry that as soon as they control the dollars, they can begin to control the access and set the rules for who "can" and who "can't" be eligible.   My worry is much more against the conservative views, who might use this as a wedge to do to our treatments what the tobacco legislation has done to discourage smoking.

Just my opinion.. now anyone seen my horse?

The A.M.A. is easing up on it, some private insurers have been coaxed into paying as well, so if the feds take over low income insurance, at some point, maybe not right away, there is a very real chance they just may end up paying for them. If it is taken out of the D.S.M. and considered a medical issue corrected by surgery, then it will happen.

I think it's silly to use it as a bargaining tool though. The people saying this act as though there are 5 million of us waiting for it.

It was maybe a year or so ago that I read an article by an AMA spokerperson who said they were encouraging insurance companies to cover GRS because they recognized it as a medical condition.  That's a good thing.

But as for this "Americans For Truth" shell organization, they need to stop creating their "truths" and get educated.  But then again, if they did, they would lose the following of sheep they now have.  And probably their donations. 

Follow the money.

Julie

So true Julie!!!

Ditto Julie.

I am not against help for low income assistance.. I think Insurance companies and personal financing are the better methods on the average (in a perfect world).

I like the co-op idea of healthcare being thrown about now by Senator Conrad ND. Even we, as a community could then build a co-op and farm best pricing and coverage and our dollars would have an impact.

I don't understand why Obama is even listening to these right wing nut jobs; the public spoke last November, we think they suck and we want a change from their policies.

Besides, it's not like they ever listened to the Democrats when they were in power. 

This is utter nonsense like death panels and forced abortions. Nobody who has any sense of reality should believe this crap. I hope that private companies would get to the point of paying for GRS, but right now this a wedge issue used by the liars, scumbags, and psychos in the "opposition" to a fair health plan for all Americans. We progressives, and I hope that anybody posting here would identify as such, should not fall for this. The government is not going to be a gatekeeper for GRS. Right now private insurance is the gatekeeper and the gate is mostly closed. Get over it and get behind our President.

My mom is buying deeply into the conservative negativity towards socialized health care. She's had it her whole life, you know? She's really touchy about the alleged death panels for elderly folks too, and I think it's all nonsense. I've been without health care for about 2 years now. I ended up with a 8,000 USD hospital bill in June, and I can't replace the glasses my sister smashed up, so I'm stuck with super glue to prevent myself from getting migraines when they fall apart.

Have conservatives compared socialized health care to the red scare yet?

It is horrifying to me, to watch all hope for health care legislation fall apart. The democrats in congress are too caught up in being bi partisan, when they really should just grab their balls and realize that they have total control of congress, and really shouldn't waste time arguing when we need health reform right now.
We all know that the final product of this health care reform bill will be totally half assed and will probably fail as a result of democrats listening to conservative input. Then the conservatives will say how, when the final product fails, they were right all along and then we will see aa conservative take over in 2010.
And then we will have to wait until 2012 to try again. The point is, we can not let this opportunity escape us.
The fact is, socialized health care would end up costing the average american probably a little less than what they pay for their own health insurance now. So really, it is sickening and makes me feel like I want to vomit when I watch conservative advertisements on TV concerning health reform, and how much they say it will cost us. When they don't realize we'll be paying about the same we already do, probably less.

They spread their vicious lies and are against anything that will help out the uninsured.  They are against abortion, SRS, mental health, and anything that makes life better.

They are no better than the Klan, White Supremacists or any other hate group.


Janet

I hate anytime someone uses scare tactics, and I triplly hate when people like us are scapegoated in order to do it BUT....

If you guys think you are not getting just as many lies out of the left concerning the realities of national Health care as are coming from the right then your political leanings are betraying you.

Every time the Administration or Congressional leaders make a claim about the cost of this effort to the taxpayers there own non-partisan agencies come out with a study and prove the claims are totally unrealistic.

I am an uninsured person, and in my household RIGHT NOW are untreated (minor) medical issues because we can't afford to get them treated BUT

The plans being proposed, combined with other entitlement spending (SS, Medicare, Medicaid) WILL eventually bankrupt this country.

It's not a question of what procedure is covered and what isn't, it's not a quoestion of what is the ethically and morally right service to provide, it is simply a matter if revenue v. outlay.

It. Can't. Be. Done.

When we try to do it - and I suspect for all the hand wringing in this thread we WILL get a bill - we are simply buying our present comfort at the price of our children and grandchildren having anything at all.

But of course, let's just all default to the knee jerk assumption that conservatives are mean nasty people who hate everyone except the rich rather than actually doing the math.

If there's anything our community should be familiar with, it's the power of stereotypes, right?

SS, Medicare and Medicaid will bankrupt the country because they are Ponzi schemes.
I do not believe that health reform will be a Ponzi scheme, as a matter of fact I think that the Obama administration will eventually try to get rid of medicare and medicaid in favor of universal health care.

Quote from: Laura Hope on November 01, 2009, 01:40:27 PMIf you guys think you are not getting just as many lies out of the left concerning the realities of national Health care as are coming from the right then your political leanings are betraying you.
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But of course, let's just all default to the knee jerk assumption that conservatives are mean nasty people who hate everyone except the rich rather than actually doing the math.

Okay. let's do the math...

What percent of Republicans are pro gay?

What percent of Republicans are pro transgender?

What percent of Republicans voted for anti-hate legislation?

What percent of Republicans are for ENDA?

What percent of Republicans are for eliminating DADT?

What percent of Republicans are for eliminating DOMA?
Here's a recent Iowa poll:

Percentage wise, Republicans vote less in favor of LGBT issues, rights and legislation than Democrats, by a WIDE margin.  Democrats aren't perfect but they are a hell of a lot better than Republicans.

And then there's this:

Julie

I can't see what ANY of that has to do with their position on health care reform.

Laying aside the notion that a person CAN have a different view on the issues you mentioned without being "mean and hateful" but I know making THAT case would be a lost cause so I'm not gonna even comment on it.

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Quote from: Mazarine_Sky on November 01, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
SS, Medicare and Medicaid will bankrupt the country because they are Ponzi schemes.
I do not believe that health reform will be a Ponzi scheme, as a matter of fact I think that the Obama administration will eventually try to get rid of medicare and medicaid in favor of universal health care.

SS and Medicare are indeed Ponzi schemes -Medicaid isn't. And these are schemes that not ONE Democrat in public office drawing a breath will EVER vote to get rid of or even say a bad word about (and scarce few Republicans)

why on earth should we believe a body politic that can't see what you and I see about those programs will get national health care right?

all the same political forces that keep those bad programs in place are also at work to massaged NHC towards an outcome that suits them, and more besides.

Whether or not NHC will have the Ponzi format of Medicare/SS or not is irrelevant. Medicaid is a perfect illustration of a well intentioned program which is totally unable to accomplish the intentions and costs vastly more than it was projected to in the course of that failure.

the simple economic reality is that government providers skew the market and CREATE higher costs, not the reverse.

Now, I can see the way for a LOT of government directed reform that would work and would suppress the rise in costs and be sure everyone was covered.

the problem is, almost none of those good ideas are IN the plans under consideration. Given the nonexistant margin for error that we have financially, it behooves us to do it right or the day we'll come when we'll all have the health care they have in Hati or some other failed state.

Here's an example - a lot of the overhead for doctors is a result of how much it costs them to get their education and begin practice.

what if the federal government paid for the education of every qualified medical student in total? You could maybe tie it to some sort of "MediCorp" in which graduates would have to spend 5 years or something working at government designated locations, perhaps providing free subsidized preventative care like checkups and screenings before moving on to private practice.

but when they go into practice, they'd be debt free and thus the overhead would be much lower.

What if the Fed provided financing, of the equivilant nature of student loans, in order to help doctors properly equip their clinics? Im not sure about this - it might drive up the cost of the equipment in the same way government meddling in housing created that bubble...but it would be something to consider at least.

Other good ideas are out there, waiting to be seized. Someone explain to me why it is NOT sensible to enact the OBVIOUS reforms that thinkers across the political spectrum agree on and see what kind of results they produce before trying to totally re-invent the wheel?

I suppose I'll have to think about all of your solutions a little more in depth before I can say whether or not they are good, but I will say I disagree on the cause of all of these bad things that have been happening. We can blame the government for the recession and housing crisis and use that as ammo against NHC, but really the root cause of the problem was people buying things they could not afford.
I believe something similar happened in the 20's, and when the market went downhill people were suddenly expected to pay a lot of money they never had in the first place.
It boils down to our own personal responsibility. That was the cause of the problem. So financing a clinic would be a good idea if the doctor in question was wise on what he purchased.
But you also have to realize that countries with NHC are not all failures, in fact many are doing great. I shouldn't have to mention the success of most of Europe and Canada. The only flaw is waiting a few months for relatively small things, not vital surgeries as EVERY conservative in Congress would have you believe.
There's also a point here- I think Olympia Snowe was the only Republican congresswoman to vote for health reform. What does that say? The opposition will not agree to anything the democrats want until the bill is so washed up that it won't even accomplish good NHC in the first place.
I'm not saying that the left hasn't done that in the past. But what I am saying is that the left is trying so hard to boil down the bill for the republicans, actually trying to listen to them, which the republicans of course, have never done on such a huge issue with a democratic minority.
And the republicans in congress still victimize themselves, and still uses an insane amount of scare tactics that I've never seen before in a democratic minority.
All Obama needs to do is sign an executive order, and we will have NHC. But of course he won't, because he actually tries to care what the republican minority has to say- this is costing him his presidency, I think.

Quote from: Laura Hope on November 01, 2009, 05:47:13 PM
I can't see what ANY of that has to do with their position on health care reform.

It doesn't, anymore than the last line I quoted from your post does. 

The two lines I quoted said (and correct me if I'm wrong) liberals are just as bad as conservatives.  And there's a tendency here to have a knee jerk reaction that results in people here believing all conservatives are mean and nasty.

What I was pointing out was the Republicans, who are mostly conservative, do very little to support the LGBT community.  In fact they actively participate in denying us equality.  The same cannot be said about Democrats, who are mostly liberal.

So, even if both sides are liars, at least the Democrats vote for legislation that helps us gain the equality we deserve.  If there is a knee jerk reaction, it's well deserved by simply looking at who supports us.

It's simple, support the people who support you.  And if those people are in charge when health care reform becomes reality, there's a pretty good chance there won't be a clause in there denying us medical treatment.  I'll take the Democrat liars long before I'll accept the Republican liars.

Julie