Lol, that's a cute idea but no 
I lived in Youngtown, a former 65+ only community on the outskirts of Phoenix  for a while and guess I just got used to old people and their paraphenelia. You'd be surprised by the places a golf cart can go.

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and poor Jessica the vampire keeps regrowing her hymen.

That made me giggle so hard at uni this morning.... cringe at the prospect, but also laugh in a morbid dark sort of way...

What has vampire's got to do with the topic? 

actually nb the topic started as a joke and deteriated into the arguement the joke was about
jessica

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actually nb the topic started as a joke and deteriated into the arguement the joke was about
jessica

I see. I actually thought 'Stealth' was quite an important and serious topic?

it is when the topic is discussed in the format it should be such as how or even when you should attempt it or if its even possible for a person to obtain it. Unfortunately everytime it is brought up in this forum it deteriates into mud slinging contest between open trans and stealth trans or older and younger transitioners or god knows what other combination the individual mind can come up with which is what the original joke was about. this is the last post i will make on any thread of this nature due to this division in our community
jessica

Division just means there is no real agreement.  Its not good or bad, but it just indicates that a consensus has not been reached.

In True Blood, vampires are not stealth and run bars where the public can mingle with them and other things. Weres are totally stealth and vampires and weres hate and distrust each other. The "religious right " wants to strip vampires of their legal protections and some even advocate killing or deporting them. Vampires and humans cannot legally marry under US law. This is why the shape shifters stay stealth and pass as ordinary people to the general public.

In True Blood, vampires are not stealth and run bars

No doubt in direct competition with the nightclub run by the witches in Charmed.

In Hollywood, all things are possible. 

Quote from: xsocialworker on November 19, 2009, 08:07:28 AM
In True Blood, vampires are not stealth and run bars where the public can mingle with them and other things. Weres are totally stealth and vampires and weres hate and distrust each other. The "religious right " wants to strip vampires of their legal protections and some even advocate killing or deporting them. Vampires and humans cannot legally marry under US law. This is why the shape shifters stay stealth and pass as ordinary people to the general public.

Its quite an amazingly good analogy for trans rights isnt it?

Are there any St or Fed laws against the drinking of human blood, is this legal?

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My concience is catching up with me fast here. The people who chose to go stealth are getting dogpiled. I love the under dog. I prefere to have the odds agaiinst me to keep any success both meaningful, & to to remind me of the value of humility. This thread has degraded not in the way others have described, but rather many against few. I hate bullies. I hate people that gang up on others to make themselves feel better. I feel like ->-bleeped-<- because I have contributed to that in which I hate most, taking or disrespecting  freedom. I never had, have, or will have any ill will towards those who go stealth. The punchline, I still have no idea why this is so divisive. If I chose to go stealth, I just don't have it in me to give a sh*t what anyone else thinks. I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just arrogant, but if I go stealth I do not give a sh#t what anyone thinks of that. God I must be rough ass piece of bark.

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This is a Goddamned eberassment. We want to be accecetpted & integrate into society, but turn around & look at this 12 pages of complete & total crap. Look at what we do to eacch other & ask others to try & understand. My conclusion, I'm on my own. But it is sad to see young peiple, see old people fight over what? Kiss my ass. 

I'll happily give your "ass" a big sloppy kiss if it helps fix whatever techno-spasm it is that causes you to create so many blank "post-merge" entries when you post

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This is a Goddamned eberassment. We want to be accecetpted & integrate into society, but turn around & look at this 12 pages of complete & total crap. Look at what we do to eacch other & ask others to try & understand. My conclusion, I'm on my own. But it is sad to see young peiple, see old people fight over what? Kiss my ass.

Actually I found it a valuable discussion and it helped me
resolve some things in my own mind. I've been in lots or conversations like this where the tone ebbs and flows, especially discussing matters people are passionate about. We were discussing sentencing for the homicidally
mentally ill the other day and I'd never seen a room of old ladies come so
alive. Even the odd break to talk about vampires, dripping with relevant analogy, makes it a less heavy read.

The author of the novels that True Blood is based on has admitted that part of it is a thinly veiled attack on bigotry, especially against GLBT people. Note the church with the sign that reads "God Hates Fangs". When the Weres do come out, one man shoots his wife when she admits that she turns into some animal and that is why she is gone when the moon is full. He thought she was visiting relatives and is enraged that she kept a secret identity from him. He wondered what else she was lying about. Sound familiar ?   Tonight is the national Day of Rememberence.

QUIT spoiling the story!
lalalLalLalalalalalala I didn't hear that. How many of these novels are there, and how do they compare to True Blood in terms of storytelling? If the novels are worth it i'll look them up over the holiday break, but reading is for business during the term, lol, not pleasure. I admit I was suprised by how well TB is done, and checked the credits for Joss Whedon. Shockingly, he wasn't there.

Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 18, 2009, 10:42:49 AM
I have stayed out of this debate, because there is no sense in beating a dead horse.  And as one of the dreaded "Older" transitioners, I will say good for the younger ones who did not face what the "older" ones have.

Having said that.  The next attack, ether towards a younger transitioner or an older transitioner will result in a warning being issued for a violation of rules 4, 10 and 11.


Janet
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If you're looking for a subject that will ultimately go nuclear, this is it.

What I don't get is this; The younger you are, the more you will benefit from positive societal changes.  So it makes perfect sense that the youngest trans would be the most active in trying to eliminate the negative stigma.

But that's not what I see here.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems there's a younger I'm-stealth-and-leave-me-alone (LMA) crowd who resents the older-sometimes-activist (OSA) crowd that is trying to make this a better world for all trans people.

When the OSAs talk about the importance of changing the negative stigma I hear a some LMAs respond as if the OSAs are telling them they have to get out there on the front lines and fight.  And, IMHO, I think that's where the animosity begins.

No matter how you cut it, the older you are, the less chance of you enjoying a world where trans people are treated the same as everyone else.  I know I'll never see that in my life.  No way.  If you're in your teens or 20s, you probably will, to some degree, but only if there's someone out there working to make it happen.

There are teens today getting thrown out of their house when their parents find out they are trans.  Their parents simply disown them.  And for the rest, there's a lot of family rejection they experience too.  And it's all because of ignorance.  That will never change unless people go out in numbers and fight to change it.

Personally, going out and fighting for trans rights will have little or no effect on my life, now or ever.  So it makes no sense for me to go out there and work my butt off so the younger generation can enjoy the fruits of my labor, especially if they don't appreciate it.  And anyone in their 40's on up can say pretty much the same thing.  But the 40s on up are exactly the people you see the most at rallys, marches, etc.

So when I hear the younger generation say things like, "Those people embarrass me" or "I don't want to be seen with those people" I scratch my head and wonder why any of are even bothering. 

If, across the board, the younger generation says they don't care about trans rights or changing the negative stigma and that they aren't willing to join in with that fight, then those of us who have been out on the front lines fighting for these things should go back to our own lives and enjoy what little we have left.

Julie

Wow, I guess I gotta a little crazy there for a moment. Hopefully my spiro will be here soon & I'll break the low blood pressure record.

I don't think you're really almost 40, yer too awesome
and noncynical  I think you're 19 and complete stealth and just trying to get our panties all twisted. I'm on to you Missy!

I would like to solicit a huge group hug from all the Stealth and Non-Stealth brothers and sisters and others here. :-)