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Started by Hannah, November 10, 2009, 11:52:58 PM

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Hannah

They started out awesome, but they get weirder and weirder every night. At the same time they put me on Ambien they also put me on Celexa, and I can't figure out which one is causing the dreams. I'm not complaining yet, because being able to sleep all night is worth dreaming about walking in on one of my professors in her nylons. Ya, that was weird and I gave up trying to figure these dreams out lol.

I don't wander on this drug and I go straight to bed when I take it. Aside from waking up nekkie from time to time I'm fine in terms of those side effects. Has anyone taken something better than Ambien and had the lucid dreams stop or should I suspect the Celexa? My fear is that they will get weirder and weirder and turn into nightmares I can't wake up from. I NEVER have nightmares, so if that starts happening then meh.
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Sarah Louise

Yes Ambien does give you unwanted dreams.  I have been on Ambien for two years (I take a break every couple months).  I have noticed the dreams are worse as my system comes down from being on that sleeping pill.

I still take it because that is the only way I sleep due to some very intense diabetic neuropathy.  I value the sleep they give me and I can usually control the direction of the dream once I realize it is a dream.

Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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Hannah

I did notice that my swiss cheese seems to have gone missing  :P

No seriously, I don't wander or to my knowledge even get out of bed on it, the only thing is the wacky dreams. I occasionally find a text message/yahoo thing on my ipod that I don't remember sending, but those items rest on my nightstand and it hasn't been anything too embarrassing thus far...but it has resulted in sleeping 8-9 hours a night which is beyond my wildest hope.

I'm afraid to mention it to my doctor because I'm worried she'll take me off and that would be aweful. So far this feedback doesn't sound like anything I can't live with in trade for actually being able to rest.

The idea of controlling the dreams is intriguing, I'll start trying to program myself for awareness before I fall asleep and see how it goes.
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V M

I was taking an antidepressant and a sedative to sleep for awhile. I would have weird dreams and sleep walk.

Thing is I have weird dreams and sleep walk anyway. Long before and long after I quit the pills

I always check the front door to make sure it's locked. Not to keep anyone out, but to keep me in  :P
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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Hannah

#4
This is getting really wild, apparently last night I had the following yahoo message conversation with a friend, who thankfully has experienced Ambien side effects too and is being nice to me about it. I even included a quote from this forum which really touched me lol, apparently I had no idea how deeply but if my subconscious is spitting it out it musta landed somewhere deep.

me: Curii

Sarah: uh, what

me: Musclrcd (I have no idea what that was supposed to be)

me: "but she didn't want a boy, she wanted me. And she didn't want a penis, but she just wanted to try something uinew"  (from the strap-ons thread)

Sarah: not sure I follow


Woah. I woke up with my itouch under my butt and was wondering how it got there; thank god it keeps a record of what it's used for or I might never have known! I usually visit with her several times a week at night, at least I did pre-ambien but with my cell phone broken I have to use the sms part of Yahoo to do so. I have no recollection whatsoever of that conversation and now she thinks I'm a closet lesbian.

So I think I'll unplug my wireless modem before bed, and when I get my cell phone situated keep it away from my nightstand, lol. I don't think I could manage to reconnect the modem in a dream state anyway. Wild stuff.



Post Merge: November 14, 2009, 01:34:52 AM

Ok, here we go again. Doors locked securely, battery out of the phone and cable soon to be disconnected. Wish me luck!
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aubrey

WOW where can I get some. Lucid dreams, the pillows talk to you, it sounds like the 60s.


( jk ;) )
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Sarah_Faith

There are a lot of medications that can affect your dreams. Anti depressants are particularly noteworthy. I actually had to stop taking efexor as I could not sleep on it at all. VIVID dreams and some of the strangest stuff. Life size chess boards with train stations?????

I was put on stilnocht to help me sleep, may have a different name outside Ireland, but while it did get me to sleep, it didn't keep me asleep. And more weird, sometimes very disturbing, dreams.

I do recall one very vivid dream though, where I was me, exactly as I see myself. This was so real that when I woke up, I had the biggest smile on my face. It was the most wonderful experience as it felt completly real.

Nowadays, I'm off all psychotropic drugs bar one; xanax. I take a half before bed just to help me relax and get asleep. Generalised anxiety is a pain! I'll have to stop xanax too though, as it's not the same kind of sleep you get naturally and there can be mildly vivid dreams too.

Side effects are just that though. Weigh up if the side effects are worth the benefit and then decide what to do next.
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Hannah

Well, I started turning off and disassembling my communications things and for two nights now there hasn't been any trouble (I think). It's interesting to me which dreams I acted out out, but since it's a drug I hate to waste too much brainpower trying to figure it out. I'm deprived of human contact though, sometimes for weeks; and as soon as it could my subconscious started textimg and calling people and trying to talk about stuff that's important to me but that I have to deal with alone. Apparently the same girl I quoted that penis thing to had an unusual conversation with me about breasts too shortly after I got out of the hospital. Thank god she loves me and is a friend, that woulda weirded a lot of people out.

I can't really wrap my brain around the lucid dreaming. Last night I watched two more rather gory episodes of True Blood and was convinced I was in for a wild night, then dreamt about my boobs hurting and getting thorns in my bike tires. Maybe it's time to up the doseage  :police:
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Abby

Zyprexa made me have peculiar dreams, especially in very light sleep.  They weren't really "nightmares" until I woke up and rejected them.

Last winter I was suffering from PTSD.  Was one of the worst experiences of my life.  There was no sleep after 3 am.  If I didn't have a nightmare, then I would have night terror.  Every night.  It has taken the past year to regain my "sanity".

I might have started on HRT sooner but the return of PTSD was a concern.  With the HRT my sleep has gotten gradually better.  Deeper.  I now get hungry in the middle of the night sometimes and when I go to eat I realize that I am still in sleep.  I wake up early because I want to.  I'm so excited to start the day.

My dreams on HRT are good.  First time in my life.  And they are straight girl dreams (I guess).
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Hannah

Quote from: Abby on November 19, 2009, 12:25:52 PM
I wake up early because I want to.  I'm so excited to start the day.

I know! Isn't that just awesome? I'm going to register for a *gasp* morning class next term if this keeps up. I've been waking up in such a wonderful mood. The relaxation part is amazing too, the first two hours of the day involve a bathroom break and reconnecting the cable, lol, then it's back to bed with the ipod to fool around a bit and check emails/class stuff/this forum while the rest of my body wakes up.

I'm pretty sure I get up and do stuff at night because I have some peculiar scratches and sometimes wake up chilled to the bone, which makes no sense for someone who has spent hours under two thick quilts. I haven't been leaving the house though so what's the harm really. Just keep turning off the cable and phone  :) Considering the alternative, this is quite livable.

QuoteI would have night terror

I've read about that, they sound aweful. I can't say I've experienced one, I'm not sure still if those things really happened or if they were in my head. It certainly sounds like hrt is easing your dysphoria, and I applaud your waiting to start resolving the other issue before starting. May I please ask what happened to you that triggered ptsd and nightmares/night terrors?
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Abby

Edit my last post.  It wasn't Zyprexa it was Paxil.  Zyprexa is horse tranquilizer.  Paxil is an antidepressant.   
   
Last night I had a dream I was on a bicycle trip with children and I was helping them out.  They really liked me.   
 
 
   
 
QuoteMay I please ask what happened to you that triggered PTSD and nightmares/night terrors?

I was traveling in Europe.  My goals, my itinerary, went from wanting to do X  to being "on a mission".  A mission that was very emotional and became very important to me.  I was willing to do anything to succeed.  When I returned, I felt the mission was failed. 
 
Only failure did not register with some part of my brain.  I couldn't "take a break", like at the end of a hard day or walking away from a bad experience.   
 
 
It's like having a window open all day.  At the end of the day you know it is going to be cold, you know you need to close it . . . but you can't.  The brain is stuck.  It seems like you should be able to close it.  All is sane and rational inside the house.  Now it feel like sleeping outside in the cold. 
 
 
The solution is not simple.  I say, "I want to go back to _______ lifestyle, when I did ______ and ________ and _________." 
 
For me this was "not smoking", bicycling, sowing clothes.  This was the logical step.  These were things that made me happy.  These were things that I benefited from.  These were things I felt comfortable with. 
 
The blame game was not helpful at all.  Blame is, afterall, leads one back to the problem. 
Sedation is not a solution.  Sedation is actually something to fight.  It doesn't close the gaping logical window.  It only prevents the cold from being felt. 
Opening another window, it may seem a bit warmer but this is an illusion (and maybe one just likes opening windows). 
 
The solution is to pick-up your *things*, go to another room and close the door.  Air will leak through the crack under the door but at least it doesn't feel like your squatting in the woods naked.  You can open the door and look in.  Go ahead, try the window.  It takes time. 
 
 
As for the nightmares, unfortunately they are real (or at least they are a result of a real conflict).  Actually they are an escape from reality (albeit, half way out the window). 
 
"night terror"?  Waking up in hell.  The brain is not only stuck but because you have decided to abandon the mission, you've given up your mental restraint and no longer in command -- expecting the mission to abandoned, the ~mission~ goes out of control -- something you just never expected to happen.   

The trauma?  Well you had a helmet on.  All sane and logical.

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The PTSD diagnosis is often times missused IMO.  (my account maybe concerned "PTSD 3rd degree" but this is the mechanism)


I've been abused.  I've been through trauma and I have been traumatized.

The result of trauma and abuse is:
mistrust, dysphoria, depression, low self-esteem, hostility, cynicism.  And this can extend further.

In addition there is the reality of abuse or trauma.  We humans, as animals, learn.  We learn to avoid, or deal with these situations.  As people these experiences become part of ourselves -- our identity.




The estrogen/female approach to bad situations seems not to drag-ones-guts-on-the-ground as the male approach does.  She is a fanatical parade.  He is swinging at a pinata.

Tirades IMO would not, or could not cause PTSD.  Abuse may result in tirades, however.  (not exactly helpful but it is a "healthy" reaction).  It's an energy I have yet to fully harrness.
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Hannah

#11
The part that catches my curiosity is why night terrors are always terrible. As I understand it they involve slipping into an rem state, with it's accompanying paralysis and dreams while being awake.

I disagree about sedation not being part of the solution. Yes we have to work on closing the window, but if the body doesn't get that nightly break from toxic stress hormones it won't cooperate. Remember, our flight or fight mechanism is designed for sporadic use to escape sabre toothed lions, not the constant arousal it undergoes in modern society.

Besides I'm having a ball with the Ambien, I spent last nights dreams with my (not real) little girl  :o. That's gonna be a fun one to try and interpret.

Post Merge: November 26, 2009, 01:48:37 AM

I'm tired of disconnecting the cable every night. I'm still gonna dismantle my phone but the cable is staying on from here out, it's such a bother. Things have settled down now, as far as I know anyway  :D I'm still going to ask the doc about something else, my therapist is on the extended release version and she suggested either that or Lunesta. Big $$ for a student and my insurance doesn't cover Ambien Cr, but it's worth it...maybe I'll keep my regular script and just take the cr on weekends or something, I dunno yet.
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Hannah

The other night I had a rather explicit conversation with (fortunately) a trusted friend, once again under the influence. I had forgotten to shut off the cable, and well. I thought I'd share the results because they still make me laugh:

The next day

me: Do you still love me even though I send you weird messages when I'm "asleep" on Ambien?
I'm still so embarassed, good lawd. 

her: Quit lying to me! I clearly saw you talk & text last night through my binouculars, but I was looking at that other girl

me: zomg there was another girl in my bed? Ewwww Holy crap that ambien is wild! Did she look happy?

her: I'd like to just say yes, but there was so much bouncing around
(this is where I figured out she was pulling my leg)

me: Well that explains the bottle of tequila and the bra that's too small laying on my nightstand. Was she at least a redhead?

her: If ur askin' ME to remember, only God can help u now!

me: Haha you musta taken your ambien too

I don't click with people very well and therefore don't have much of a life...but the few friends I do are just freaking awesome. I love her  ;)
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