Title says it all what do you think.
So i was sitting down for lunch today with some people that I know (Much much older then me) and just the way in general males talk about females is just sickening!

Sadly I wouldn't really know... I've never been party to male banter, possibly one of the drawbacks of transitioning so young I guess. So I don't know what we're up against.

But by contrast lets not forget that some women can also be very patronising towards men too. So I think it's probably just a natural part of the gender divide. I don't like it, and I refuse to play for either team in that particular game.

As in that they like women, or when they start seeing nothing beyond the body?

Quote from: insanitylives on December 21, 2009, 06:09:44 AM
As in that they like women, or when they start seeing nothing beyond the body?

I'm guessing as in speaking of them like objects existing for their own physical pleasure, in which case, yeah, I really don't like listening to it. It really bothers me when guys talk about women like that around me in a manner suggesting because I look like them I should understand, especially when it just gets thrown into a conversation unexpectedly.

Then again, guy talk often irks me in one way or another.

As an androgyne, I agree with you. Some of the most idiotic and misogynistic comments can be heard when there are no women around. Even some progressive men I know can still be sexist, and I've most likely been sexist in the past, although I consider myself to be a femininist nowadays.

Having been in the inner circle of guys, they have the most condescending language about and towards women.  It always discussed me and I would be the one that would be taking the side of women.

Of course, we women can be just lewd as the guys.  Especially if they have a nice behind.



Huggles,
Janet

Another topic generalizing men as animals without any tact or decency yet look at shows like Sex and the City.  Women do it too.  Stop vilifying half the population.  I see this far too often among transwomen and it's annoying.

Quote from: Maiden on December 21, 2009, 09:27:08 PM
Another topic generalizing men as animals.

Thats taken it very extrame. Your putting words into my mouth that i did not say.
I don't think all men do it, but most do. I no women also do it, but from what ive experienced alot less do.

I always viewed it as another form of 'male chest thumping' - you hear it a lot when guys think you can't hear. At my age I have known a lot of these guys for years and I know they are entirely different with their wives or girlfriends. It seems to be something guys do when they are together to prove how macho they are.

Yep...from guys it's the "i'm more of a player who never gets hurt than you" stuff. From women it's the "how horrible men are" stuff. I've heard horrible things from both sides and they all pretty much don't know what they are talking about and can be idiots when the other sex isn't around. Both sexes suck equally in relationships.

Quote from: justme19 on December 21, 2009, 05:20:03 AM
Title says it all what do you think.
So i was sitting down for lunch today with some people that I know (Much much older then me) and just the way in general males talk about females is just sickening!

That's too much of a general sweeping stereo typical statement to make. Not all guys are like that and I know quite a few guys who are not like that at all. You do get some males from the dinosaur age who do treat and talk about females badly but not all males are the same.

"the way guys talk about girls"...
... uhm...

Right. Cause there's a specific way that "guys" in general speak of girls in general. It's not "some" men who sometimes speak of women in a derogatory manner.

Why's it okay for girls to talk about how men do this and that {insert negative thing here}, but when men do it, it's misogynistic? Even if the topic's the same?
I just got to ask.

The way I talk about women is a lot different than most guys....mostly because I'm not sexually attracted to them.  Having been on both sides of the equation tho I know both sides are about equal with put downs. Can't tell you how often i've heard 'men aren't worth a crap' yadda yadda yadda...

Having been party to plenty of both male and female conversation on this point, as well as many such discussions with a mixed crowd.

As it turns out both discuss the opposite gender in a sexual manner sometimes.  After all people (or most of them) are sexual creatures. 

There are differences, be they social, cultural or genetic I don't know, but its a couple of HUGE differences.
-women in conversation with other women are explicit and detail orientated to the same degree that men are vague and non-specific.  Sure guys might say "Oh I'd hit that like the fist of an angry god" or "I'd hit that so hard if you could pull it out you'd be king of England." But much beyond "Hey baby, you looking good" is pretty much out of order.  Listening to girls talk about guys and sex with other girls, no detail gets left out, every point is critiqued.  They never would go - as guys do - "Hey, I got some last night," which after the pro forma congratulations is as far as it EVER goes.  Techniques, details, positions, kinks are not brought up as a rule for guys, but for girls they seem to be the real point is that kind of comparison. 
- Guys tend to talk about far more targets then girls do.  That not because men are somehow oversexed compared with women, its because women are a hella lot more picky.
- Guys, being not very bright do tend to only focus on the physical/sexual, they can only think of one thing at a time.  Women focus on a lot more, and for everyone out there who thinks that men see women as sexual objects first and people second, I can introduce you to a hella lot of women who are more turned on by your income then your body and see men as a financial object first, and a person second.

I've been party to both kinds of conversations - men about women and women about men.  I agree with Tekla that men tend to have less elaborate conversations about women, but men have less elaborate conversations about everything.  (Even the detailed car-talk or sports-talk will have a simpler structure even if it does seem to go on forever. )

I've met men who evidently think women are a different species than men.  I've never met a woman who seemed to think that, but I have less experience with women's talk.

I think it is a mistake to say "all men" or even "most men".  In my experience, most men see women as interesting, desireable, troublesome, irratating, fun, and just a different version of themselves.  The few men I've run into who see women as from another planet are rare, but perhaps I just haven't hung out in the right places.

- Kate

I agree that not all men talk down about women, just the ones with the loudest voice.


Janet

Quote from: Maiden on December 21, 2009, 09:27:08 PM
Another topic generalizing men as animals without any tact or decency yet look at shows like Sex and the City.  Women do it too.  Stop vilifying half the population.  I see this far too often among transwomen and it's annoying.

I'm only vilifying those with whom I've spent time around personally. I make no claims to the opinions and attitudes of anyone I've never met.

Quote from: Janet Lynn on December 22, 2009, 06:06:59 PM
I agree that not all men talk down about women, just the ones with the loudest voice.

And in some situations, the only voices.

I think I'd be much more confident transition-wise of not for the lockerroom talk I was unable to avoid in my school days (and definitely would have a chance of interest in wearing skirts.)