When I think it over, it is rather strange to include the Trans as part of the LGB community.

The thing is, 1) I'm sure that there are not nearly as many people who truly identify as this to make their own group and 2) Trans people make LGBs look like saints in "normal", meaning closed minded, peoples minds. The LGBs are helping us pave our own way and I find it all well and dandy if it's helping us. There are however a good number of them who say to hell with us and to get out of their acronym.

So, yeah. Transgender is just not something most people, even the LGBs, think, know, or talk about. Let alone accept.

I did not feel bitter towards them until I started realizing some of the opinions that some LGB have about us.  Some honestly believe we transition to gain heteronormative privilege, and no other reason.  Reading this was really upsetting to me because that was a community I cared about and was a part of, and even put transition off for a year because I wanted to stay a part of.  I'm trying to not get bitter because I know that's not the general opinion they hold and I have gay and lesbian friends who are cool with it but I'm kinda pissed right now.  They really think it's easier to be trans than gay.

I know, I know, fighting hate with hate.  I have a hard time respecting people who disrespect me though 

This association came about because in the most general sense all of us are seen to be gender transgressors in some way.  That, and the same people that beat, bash, and kill gays, beat bash and kill TG persons also.  As the old saying goes The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  On top of that, there is/was a large overlap of both common spaces and common ground.  So that grouping in the political sense was about mutual interests and common causes, not being the same.

And sure, some LG persons are not real thrilled with us.  By the way, you might have notice the opposite occurring in, say, this thread.  But for the most part that's select individuals shaking their tiny fist in mock outrage on the internet, and they are not the people participating in public efforts.

If any of you would really get out in these situations you'd find that the worst is sort of a benign neglect, not any sort of outright hostility.  And if you really hungout for long enough you might even find a lot of support.  I know that when the TransMarch in SF turns up Castro that the bars empty out and there are a lot of gay men out applauding us and cheering us on - giving support and encouragement, and that's pretty real.

But from your basement it might not seem that way.

Quote from: tekla on January 07, 2010, 12:13:44 PM
And sure, some LG persons are not real thrilled with us.  By the way, you might have notice the opposite occurring in, say, this thread.  But for the most part that's select individuals shaking their tiny fist in mock outrage on the internet, and they are not the people participating in public efforts.

If any of you would really get out in these situations you'd find that the worst is sort of a benign neglect, not any sort of outright hostility.  And if you really hungout for long enough you might even find a lot of support.  I know that when the TransMarch in SF turns up Castro that the bars empty out and there are a lot of gay men out applauding us and cheering us on - giving support and encouragement, and that's pretty real.

But from your basement it might not seem that way.

Yes, this is true.  Those people who thought that way were nobodies on the internet.  I need to learn how to just stop trying to educate those unwilling to be educated and not let things bother me so much.  It doesn't help that I'm someone who just loves to argue about anything, so I kinda throw fuel to the fire.  But yeah, most gays and lesbians I know in real life are not like that at all.  I have gone to a couple events and everyone there has been supportive.

I think it really just depends on the person, but when it comes to GLB's or straight people, I would approach with caution regardless.

Chrissi