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4-Year-Old Boy Suspended From School for Months Because His Hair Is 'Too Long'

Started by Shana A, January 17, 2010, 01:48:12 PM

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Shana A

4-Year-Old Boy Suspended From School for Months Because His Hair Is 'Too Long'

Posted by Tara Lohan, AlterNet at 1:15 PM on January 12, 2010.

So what's this really about? Messed up cultural norms.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/rights/145111/4-year-old_boy_suspended_from_school_for_months_because_his_hair_is_%27too_long%27

First the facts. This kid is 4-years old. Four! He's in pre-kindergarten. His name is Taylor Pugh but he prefers the nickname Tater Tot. Do you not love him already?! All he wants to do is go back to the classroom and be with his friends. But he has been suspended since November because his hair is considered too long by his public school (which is Floyd Elementary School in suburban Dallas). His hair, by the way, barely touches his shoulders. From what I can tell, it's also clean and brushed.

So what's the problem? Apparently his hair violates school district dress code. Why on earth a 4-year-old has a dress code, I don't know. I would think if you're dealing with a bunch of kids that young, you'd pretty much just hope they show up with their shoes still on. But on further review, the school district seems to have lots of ridiculous dress restrictions. And there are some that just drive me nuts. For instance, girls can have piercings, boys cannot. Girls can have long hair, boys cannot.
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tekla

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Shana A

"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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tekla

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Britney_413

Public school means government school. Despite the fact that the parents of the child pay taxes that fund the school, despite the fact that they are U.S. citizens, likely registered voters, and probably not criminals, they don't get to decide how to raise their child. The government does. The government gets to decide how boys and girls are to dress and what styles their hair is to be. This is in the bogus name of "education" which is really indoctrination.

I think the parents should sue the school big time. There is a document called the United States Constitution which contains a Bill of Rights. Included in that document is Amendment I which basically states that Congress shall not pass laws abridging the freedom of religion, speech, etc. I would therefore think it is arguable that since the government has made it law that parents require their children to attend school and the fact that they are required to pay taxes which fund the school, if the school then tells them how their children are to be dressed and groomed, that is a violation of free speech and expression is generally seen as a form of speech.

I find it pretty scary the direction this country is going. You would be surprised how many millions of people out there continually support more government intrusions into private lives and habits in the name of "not offending anyone," "not creating distractions in a classroom," "and avoiding hurt feelings or creating uncomfortable environments." Liberty was not, is not, and never will be intended to ensure that every person is happily tucked in at night with the same blanky. If schools are about homogonizing the masses into carbon copies of each other, I think schools should be completely done away with. Period.


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Quote from: tekla on January 17, 2010, 02:15:53 PM
Texas, one word says it all.

I'm really getting sick and tired of your holier-than-thou attitude where apparently the rest of the country or the world is somehow inferior to your neck of the woods. I have a friend who is from Texas who happens to enjoy many aspects of the state. I have been to California as well as Texas. There are good and bad things about every place. We really don't need you stereotyping entire reigions of this country or the world over one issue. You have consistently made posts with an arrogant attitude that apparently your Bay Area is somehow superior to other parts. The world is not the United States, the United States is not California, and California is not San Francisco.
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tekla

There is a document called the United States Constitution which contains a Bill of Rights. Included in that document is Amendment I which basically states that Congress shall not pass laws abridging the freedom of religion, speech, etc.

Which of course, says nothing about a dress code.  But hey, you're on a roll.  Like Bluto when he was talking about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

Yeah, it's stupid, and it's Texas which is every day lowering the total IQ of the rest of the USA by a couple of points. Are there not other options?  Sure they are, which, by the way - have even more restrictive dress codes.  Unless they move, get the hell out of Texas, they could move to ever liberal SF, and such things don't exist.  But you don't like that either do you?  Bluto.
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V M

Bluto?....Oh,...... You've been watching Popeye again haven't you?
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Shana A

Quote from: Britney_413 on January 17, 2010, 09:05:38 PM
The government gets to decide how boys and girls are to dress and what styles their hair is to be. This is in the bogus name of "education" which is really indoctrination.

Yes, schools are basically in the business of indoctrinating people to be good little corporate drones.

If schools are going to have dress codes, they should be exactly the same irregardless of gender. Why are certain articles of clothing, or length of hair, OK for one gender and not the other?

Z
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Autumn

Quote from: Zythyra on January 17, 2010, 09:54:28 PM
Yes, schools are basically in the business of indoctrinating people to be good little corporate drones.

If schools are going to have dress codes, they should be exactly the same irregardless of gender. Why are certain articles of clothing, or length of hair, OK for one gender and not the other?

Z

Because the corporate dress codes are different for one gender than the other. (And because people like it that way. Most people are unnerved to see women with bald heads, and men in dresses. Unless that's your client base.)

I am sure Tekla is painfully aware of this, but guess what? She's 100% right. The school curriculum that Texas decides upon is what most states get, basically... because we're such a large market for text books.
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tekla

Yeah, big shock, schools train people for the American work force.  Is there something about American educational philosophy since the 1830's you've missed?  Something about Dewey's ideas you didn't get?

Oh yeah, like private school.  Yup my private school did not train me to be a worker bee, they trained me to be the boss.  So I had to uphold a higher (not lower) standard then everyone else.  So, some 30+ years later, (but lots of times in between too) I'm the boss, and oddly enough, I do that.  And I cash them checks too. But, in fairness, they also trained me (against my will by the way) to work my ass off.  Done that too.  Never did it NOT pay off.

Free speech is meant to cover things like saying:
- People who only read part of the Second Amendment are a bunch of gun tottin' morons.
- G.W. Bush is guilt of crimes against humanity.
- Barrack Obama lied to all of us during his campaign.

It's not designed to protect fashion mistakes and bad haircuts.
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V M

Bong Hits for Jesus?

Are you sure that's not the name of a band or a song? An album title? :laugh:
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tekla

But in doing that they still upheld Tinker v. Des Moines, that political content is protected.
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tekla

Yeah, and as someone who very reluctantly served on a school board, I'm hardly going to trust their judgment. The same people who brought us DARE, which teaches kids to avoid drugs by getting into sports and music.  What?  Are you kidding? Yeah, you'll never find drugs, alcohol or violence around any college sports.  Sure, it must be some weird one-off that at my high school the jocks were the biggest partiers.  And musicians?  'nuff said.  Want some weird kinky sex in high school?  Two words, Band Trip.

But Texas has some mighty huge other educational issues there partner.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Dems_protest_proposed_school_standards.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582923,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r3:c0.000000:b0:z5

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1001.blake.html
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tekla

I don't think even LBJ thought that the Flintstones were a documentary.

(and thank's to Lewis Black for that line, it's perfect)
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juliekins

I think the little kid is adorable. Good for his mother for standing her ground. I'd sue on the basis of putting my kid into solitary confinement away from the "good" kids with the appropriate gender length hair is harmful to my child. I think the other kids parents ought to insist their kids accompany this kid to the library or wherever he's being held hostage.
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tekla

You dealing with people who think it's appropriate to have a dress code for a 4 year old in the first place, I'm not holding my breath waiting for them to get all rational about it.  But as TE posted, dress codes have been upheld time, after time, after time - and in this case it's going to be a Texas court, so that's going to be even more conservative.
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Britney_413

Sadly, you can't even depend on the Supreme Court Justices to uphold the Constitution. I can understand if a private school restricts free speech. The same with this discussion board. Because it is private, you get to choose whether or not you go there and somebody generally owns it or at least a group of people with similar interests who decide what goes on and what doesn't. Public institutions are different because they are run by the government and paid for by tax dollars. This is what I see as the problem. Technically, parents can homeschool children but again their tax dollars would be going to an institution their child could not use.

Anybody who works for a public school including paid members of the board or higher administrators are government employees who are required to uphold the Constitution. A school just like any state building or library can naturally set rules so that the environment works reasonably well for everyone (all taxpayers). For instance, you can't scream and yell in a library but at the same time the librarians cannot tell you which books you can and cannot read. A courthouse may prohibit weapons but at the same time provides security to ensure safety and order of all in the building. So I would certainly agree that schools can have certain requirements such as "shirts and shoes required" or no smoking on campus or no loud outbursts in a classroom. Telling people how long their hair is to be is clearly taking it beyond the scope of what is necessary for an educational institution to be efficiently operated. Again, this isn't about what certain parents want or what certain officials want. Tax dollars pay for these institutions and they are government run so if something isn't clearly jeapordizing the operation of the institution, it should not be part of the policy.

As to dress codes being applied equally across the board, I doubt this is the case with the current school in question. Are girls allowed to keep their hair short? I bet they are. If a boy can't have long hair then a girl shouldn't be allowed short hair. Besides, they are already dividing on the basis of gender. Suppose they do it on religion and race next. Say a Sikh child can't wear a turban or a black kid can't have an African-style cut. Clearly none of this has anything to do with efficiently running an educational institution paid for by taxpayers and supposedly designed to serve we the people.

Since public schools seem more interested in homogonizing the masses than simply teaching the three Rs, we ought to eliminate them altogether. Instead, you would have only private schools which would now have to compete for everyone's business. Then if certain parents or certain children find one school a better fit than another, that is their choice as a consumer. Poorer families would be able to still attend school based on charitable donations, scholarships, and perhaps a tax-paid voucher program allowing them to go anywhere. Ultimately when you have choice and competition, the people win. When you have government control it means you have no choice and it doesn't take long to realize that whatever is available is incredibly inefficient, corrupt, and not in the interest of the people. Enough said.
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tekla

The local private HS is $11,480, a year and at that, it's full, where exactly are the other 6,000+ students supposed to go?*   

I'm also sure that a) that HS has a much stricter dress code than this Texas school does, and that b) the Texas school forbids all 'extreme' hair styles.  Which would include colors not found in nature.   

* - That's over $70 million dollars in 'vouchers' you're going to have to come up with.
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