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Started by MICHELLE192, February 16, 2010, 12:16:00 AM

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MICHELLE192

I am having trouble answering some of my wife's questions.  I am hoping that someone could help me find the right word to say to her I have been tripping over my own mixed emotions about some of them.  Plus there is a chance that she might read this since she joined the site.

The biggest is why cann't I just be a person why do I have to feel feminite?
Why do i want to come out of the closet?
Why after several years of not dressing up did I go back to it? 
Why did it seem to go away years ago and why is it more intense now?

I know that some of these question if not all of them were talked about in other post but all over the site and had trouble refinding the post.  I am sure there are more which she might add to this post when she sees it.  Sometimes things sound crazy when one person says it but if a group have simular feelings it is not so crazy.  Thanks for any input. 
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LordKAT

Quote from: MICHELLE192 on February 16, 2010, 12:16:00 AM
The biggest is why cann't I just be a person why do I have to feel feminite?
Why do i want to come out of the closet?
Why after several years of not dressing up did I go back to it? 
Why did it seem to go away years ago and why is it more intense now?
Most of these, you are the only one who can answer.

Why do you have to feel feminine? You don't have to. You just do.

Why do you want to come out of the closet? Because its dark and lonely in there. again, you have to search your own mind for that answer.

Why quit and restart dressing? That seems to be the norm for many people. I am guessing that guilt has something to do with that.

Why does it go away and come back? Who knows. If you ever figure that out, you might be famous because I haven't seen anyone answer that one. I have seen many just accept that that is what happens when it is denied.


Theses need  to be explored by you and maybe a therapist, no forum can answer them for you.
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Miniar

Well, why does she have to be a woman? Can't she just be a person?

I can't give your answer, but here's what I would say to the same questions.

I have to come out of the closet because I can not and I will not live my whole life pretending to be something I'm not. I can't be a woman any more than I can be a cat or a dog. I can do a mean impression, but I'm just not a woman.
I pretended to be a woman (which would be the "stop dressing"/"going away" part here) for a long while. I swallowed my emotions and my identity, and I pretended. I did this because I didn't want to be different, and I didn't want to be different because being different means that you get treated different, and sadly, it's never different "good" and very rarely different "neutral". I didn't want the people I love to dislike me, or to suffer ridicule due to their connection to me. And for a while, I was able to pretend so well that I managed to force myself to forget, but you can't forget who you are for very long.
The one person in the whole world that you can never escape is yourself.
And as soon as I let my own guard down, that self came back and gave me a kick to the butt for good measure.
Realizing that I can't run from myself, and that the only way to do what is right by the people around me, I decided to stop hiding and start doing what I needed to do to be happy. Because no one deserves to be with someone who's unhappy.
My daughter deserves a happy parent, a boy she calls mother, and not a miserable and fake woman.

This is who I am.
This is what I am.
And I got to be myself.
That's why I have to do what I have to do.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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spacial

Michelle.

I can't really imporve on the two contributions made so far other than to add that, you might feel secure and comfortable enough in your relationship with your wife that it is no-loger necesary to conceil who you are inside.

You are and will always be the same person. You are not looking to be with anyone else. But this is as much part of who you are and always have been as every thing else.

Best of luck.
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MICHELLE192

thank you for the replies.  I had no problem talking to the therapist but for some reason my wife is a little harder.  She is different in her own way she does considers herself a person.  Sometimes I think she is bi-gender with her build even in jeans and a t-shirt she looks like a women.  There are days she could walk out without the make-up on and some were she don't want me to see her until she puts on the make-up.  I can see why she does not want me to come out MTF get jumped around here.  Then there is the fear that I might be looking for some guy.  But the desire to be myself is strong I am tired of playing pretend 12 hours a day.  The days that I do get to be myself few and far between I feel great, but the days I have to pretend to be a guy I am tired before our store is ready to close. 
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spacial

I really don't think any wife wants to share her husband/partner with anyone, male or female.

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MICHELLE192

Quote from: spacial on February 16, 2010, 11:07:26 AM
I really don't think any wife wants to share her husband/partner with anyone, male or female.

been there done that 15 years ago desided to stop that it did not work out.  Which might be why she might fear that.  That is not the case right now that is the last thing I need in my life at this point. 
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spacial

With great respect, does she know and is she absolutely positive, this is the case?
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vrony

Welcome Michelle, I cant add any more to what has already been said but as i stated in my topic "I'm glad i'm not alone" its weired how we all feel the same way about this and that we all have asked ourselves the same questions as you have. My partner doesnt even know how i feel and she sounds like how i think my partner will think about the whole thing but like you this just doesnt go away and i have only just plucked up the courage to start doing something about it with the wonderfull support of the people on this site. All i can say is stay strong.  :) vrony
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Janet_Girl

When my ex and I returned to Oregon, she asked me why I was male for so many years and now, when we return to Oregon, did it reappear?

Well it never left I just learned to cover it up really well.  I have always felt feminine and I just can't hide it any more. 

But you need to find out your own answers.  Right or wrong they are your answers.  And be prepare to feel the wrath of her anger.
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K8

I am who I am – a woman with a male body.  I tried very hard to be a man but never quite figured it out.  Now I'm not trying anymore and am just a woman.

The dynamic between a close, committed couple is different than between friends or certainly a therapist and a patient.  There is a lot more going on than the subject at hand.

I could never explain my GID to my spouse.  I couldn't even explain it to myself.  She related to the world very much through her female sexuality.  Me being somehow male but not a man messed that up.  I can understand why she was resentful of my GID.

It goes away because you have other pressures that force it into the background, or you are able to overcome it through sheer willpower for a while.  But it comes back because you didn't deal with it – you just pushed it down out of sight where it festered.  It will go away when you deal with it.  My way of dealing with it is to transition, but others deal with it in other ways.  Regardless, you deal with it by bringing it out into the light and examining it and poking at it.

Good luck to both of you.  This can be a difficult path. :icon_bunch:

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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FairyGirl

Quote from: Miniar on February 16, 2010, 06:10:30 AM
Well, why does she have to be a woman? Can't she just be a person?

I can't give your answer, but here's what I would say to the same questions.

I have to come out of the closet because I can not and I will not live my whole life pretending to be something I'm not. I can't be a woman any more than I can be a cat or a dog. I can do a mean impression, but I'm just not a woman.
I pretended to be a woman (which would be the "stop dressing"/"going away" part here) for a long while. I swallowed my emotions and my identity, and I pretended. I did this because I didn't want to be different, and I didn't want to be different because being different means that you get treated different, and sadly, it's never different "good" and very rarely different "neutral". I didn't want the people I love to dislike me, or to suffer ridicule due to their connection to me. And for a while, I was able to pretend so well that I managed to force myself to forget, but you can't forget who you are for very long.
The one person in the whole world that you can never escape is yourself.
And as soon as I let my own guard down, that self came back and gave me a kick to the butt for good measure.
Realizing that I can't run from myself, and that the only way to do what is right by the people around me, I decided to stop hiding and start doing what I needed to do to be happy. Because no one deserves to be with someone who's unhappy.
My daughter deserves a happy parent, a boy she calls mother, and not a miserable and fake woman.

This is who I am.
This is what I am.
And I got to be myself.
That's why I have to do what I have to do.

dear Miniar you always have such a knack for cutting to the heart of the matter, no BS. I think very many can relate to exactly what you wrote there.
Girls rule, boys drool.
If I keep a green bough in my heart, then the singing bird will come.
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MICHELLE192

Thank you all for the replies.  Every night I try to talk to her about my GID.  18 years ago she helped me come out she might not admit it or even know she did it.  Our first halloween together my exboyfriend and her went out with me dressed in a skirt make-up the whole nine yards.  We went downtown and hit some of the bars there.  After that I was wearing girl jeans and tops to work which was at a factory at the time.  This is why I am so confussed I was out at the begining of our relationship.  15 years ago she asked me to stop said she did not like who she was becoming more butch as she called it.  By this time my chest was a B-C cup depending on the bra.  I love her so much that no matter how much I wanted to I did what I could to control the urge which turned into habbit I guess until about 2 months ago. I needed to get back into a dress I lost it could not fight the urge.   
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K8

Michelle,
Are you seeing someone - a therapist or counselor?  It isn't a magic pill, but it can help to have someone you can talk to face-to-face about the many issues in your marriage.  (The many issues in any marriage.)

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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MICHELLE192

Kate
15 years ago I was seeing someone; however, as of right now not having medical for myself or wife I am unable to.  We are in the proccess of getting the medical I have mentioned to my wife I need to see someone.  So as of right now no I am not seeing anyone. 
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Chaos_Dagger

Technically you should answer them yourself. Though, I will answer them as if someone had asked me the same questions.  Mind you I haven't read any other posts in this thread so forgive me if I just repeat something someone else has send to you.

Why can't I just be a person why do I have to feel feminine? 
Being "just a person" is like being a robot.  Were I only to care that I am human, and not think about my gender, do you think I could love anyone?  Gender is part of who you are, no one can deny that, I happen to be female, just as you were born.  Does some phsyical mistake make me less female?

Why do i want to come out of the closet?
I don't want to, I have to. Do you think I want to deal with all the issues coming out poses? NO! However, if I want to live as who I AM then I have no choice but to let people know what mistake was made in my creation, and how I am going to rectify it. Wouldn't you do the same?

Why after several years of not dressing up did I go back to it? 
It hurts. I can try to put it away in the back of my mind and not think about it, but the subconcious never lets go.  You can spend years dressing your cat up like a dog, eventually however no matter how long it has been, that cat is going to find a way to be a cat again. If I forced you to dress as a man for several years, would you want to continue doing it?

Why did it seem to go away years ago and why is it more intense now?
Take a slightly smelly bag of garabage and put it in the corner of the room. Cover up the smell with airfresheners everyday for a week.  Then now that you've tricked your mind into thinking the garbage is nolonger there because you have been covering it up. Stop spraying the airfreshener for a few days.  What happens?

Yes... I love answering questions with questions.  By doing so you force the person who asked the question to think of an answer for once. It forces them to think over your own answers that much more thoroughly.

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BunnyBee

~~~Okay, I'm too sleep-deprived to be eloquent or concise, but here is my perspective anyway~~~

In first grader language: your brain feels that it is a girl, so everything in life that tells your brain otherwise makes your poor little brain feel out of step with its host.  This makes your brain upset. 

And I do mean everything- the big things, like seeing your image in the mirror; to all the little things you may not even consciously be aware of, like your friends repeatedly calling you "dude," or that obviously straight girl that looked you up and down the other day, or the sound of your voice, or maybe even the hormones coursing through you.  You may not consciously notice all of that... or any of it, but your brain does.  Some of those things are physical aspects of your body; most of them, from clothing, to social roles, to how you interrelate with others, are nothing more than constructs of society.  But they all work together to tell you where your station is.

The more of this wrong feedback you can eliminate, the more comfortable your brain will be, and thus the less angst ridden and miserable you will be (your brain is you, by the way- not your foot or hip.)

Why can't you just express yourself more femininely and be happy, maybe take up knitting or something?  What exactly will knitting do to change the giant cloud of gender feedback that surrounds you?  Nothing that's what- besides maybe adding one weakly feminine variable to the mix.  This is why you probably find dressing as a woman offers you more relief than, say baking. Clothing and physical expression change many, many of the variables in that cloud, many of which (like the way you look) happen to be ones that are relentless in reminding you (your brain) that your host (your body) is not the same gender as you.

So the next question is why is gender so important to your brain?  Is it not just some superficial external expression?  No, it isn't- far from it, in fact.  Name one other attribute that that is more informative about a person than their gender.  "Black man" "poverty-stricken woman" "dude from Tennessee"  Notice which word is the subject noun in those phrases.

Take the following sentence: A straight black woman from New Orleans with a PhD from MIT now lives in Holland working as an astrophysicist.  If you were meeting this person for the first time and this was all you knew of them, which part of that description tells you the most about them and that informs how you expect they will act, look, and how you should plan to treat them?  That she's black?  I hope not.  Again, notice the subject of the sentence.

Gender doesn't just matter a lot, it matters more than anything else.  It affects every little nook and cranny in your life and you can't escape it.
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MICHELLE192

#17
Thank you all for the help.  The talks continue between my wife and me.  I just want to be the girl "person" she fell in love with 18 years ago.  I never dressed flashy mostly tight jeans tshirt nice pair of boots. I use to be her partner not her husband.

Post Merge: February 20, 2010, 09:06:15 AM

Just an update.  She is still confused but can except me again. I am going to take time coming out of the closet let her get adjusted.  I am going to stay the way I am half way though transition for now anyway.  I might have to start over since it was 15 years. 
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