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A New Term for Transgender - Any Ideas?

Started by Julie Marie, March 27, 2010, 08:02:02 AM

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Julie Marie

One of the ways discriminated against groups used to minimize prejudice is to formulate new terminology to describe them, even if it's just one word.

- Queer was changed to gay.
- Negro to Black to African American.
- ->-bleeped-<- to crossdresser.
- Some immigrants even changed their last names when coming to the US.

No doubt, there's a negative stigma attached to transsexual, ->-bleeped-<-, and even transgender, but maybe to a lesser degree.  I, for one, would love to dump transsexual and come up with something that better describes it.  X-Gen is already taken.  Maybe "Gendual" (dual-gendered).  ::)

So, if you were given the job to come up with a new term for crossdresser, transsexual, transgender... what would it be?
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Sandy

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Dianna

We don't need anymore words for transsexual/transgender IMO. There are way too many used already.
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Jester

I'm not sure, but it needs to be fewer syllables and to sound like it's not some sort of illness.  As it stands, people think that we're either pretentious or sick.  This will not do.

I'm totally with you on this idea, and have been trying to think about a new term for a while.  And while woman would be nice (or man if you're FtM) that's a pipe dream.
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Constance

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I thought there was a difference between ->-bleeped-<- and cross-dresser. What I had learned, incorrectly perhaps, was that a ->-bleeped-<- was a person who gets sexual pleasure in dressing in clothes of the opposite gender whereas a cross-dresser just likes wearing the clothes for the sake of wearing the clothes.

Again, what I learned might have been wrong, but I'd learned that all ->-bleeped-<-s are cross-dressers, but not all cross-dressers are ->-bleeped-<-s.

Julie Marie

Quote from: Sandy on March 27, 2010, 08:04:50 AMwoman

That would be great Sandy if...
- We weren't ever read to be trans
- We could completely change every single piece of identification, including credit history, job history, vital records, etc to our chosen name and gender - and there was no record of the former name or gender
- We could erase any memory of  being of our birth gender from the minds of those who know us


Quote from: Dianna on March 27, 2010, 08:40:27 AMWe don't need anymore words for transsexual/transgender IMO. There are way too many used already.

The intent is to dump all the names and terms that have negative stigmas so there wouldn't be all those names.  Then to bring a fresh face to the terms used for those born in the wrong physical gender.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 27, 2010, 09:54:42 AM
Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I thought there was a difference between ->-bleeped-<- and cross-dresser. What I had learned, incorrectly perhaps, was that a ->-bleeped-<- was a person who gets sexual pleasure in dressing in clothes of the opposite gender whereas a cross-dresser just likes wearing the clothes for the sake of wearing the clothes.
In time it may become just a clothes thing but initially, from everyone I've talked to, there's a sexual arousal component to CDing.  But there was a time all crossdressing men were called ->-bleeped-<-.
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Lyric

I know what you mean. The terminology seems to cause a lot of confusion even among people like us, so you know it must be confusing for everyone else. I disagree that there are too many terms, though, or that they can be simplified into one. That isn't true.

The terms "->-bleeped-<-" and "transsexual" are clinical terms created by medical and psychology professions. "->-bleeped-<-" has long been considered a "disorder" that is to be "cured". I never use it it to describe myself or anyone else. "Crossdressing" simply describes an activity. A person can cross dress for any number of reasons.

One thing I hate about these terms is that they often overemphasize one aspect of a person, diminishing everything else. Why should a fashion choice characterize a person's entire identity? I'm a whole lot more than a pair of feet wearing high heels. Even if your entire gender identity is as a women (not the case for me) your identity goes way beyond gender.

When you call some a ->-bleeped-<-, you skip over everything else about them. A women who likes to wear pink isn't considered a "pinkvestite". A man who builds his muscles isn't a "bulkvestite".

The real problem with these labels is that there aren't really enough of them to cover all the ways of being they attempt to describe. While a "transsexual" is considered a person born one gender, but feeling she/he is another, this is not a simple matter. There are more than a dozen intersex situations that can affect this, as well as situations that seem to originate with the mind alone. To place all such persons under the same term is about as valid as calling everyone with shoulder length hair a "woman" because most people with shoulder length hair are.

Here's an idea: Don't use a label at all. Just be Julie. I'll be Lyric. If someone wants to understand us better, they can get to acquainted with us as they would anyone else.

Lyric
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Janet_Girl

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juliekins

IDK. I was pondering this with Julie today when we spoke about it. Trans woman isn't bad, but I agree that it does conjure up some negative things for some people. I've heard of 'gender gifted', but then again, this is not really a gift that I would have wished for. My wish would have been to have been born gg, but somehow with the knowledge and insights that I now possess for having gone through this process of introspection and enlightenment.

I guess in the end, I'm just Julie. My birth certificate reads female, and I've done everything possible that I could do to redo that which I felt needed correction. I do wish, however, that there were no other records that would put my birth certificate into question.  I still maintain, that due to computers and record keeping, that our medical record ( and psychological record) is the only one that employers get to see durin the hiring process. I don't think it's fair. Can you imagine the outrage and calls for change if every heart condition, drinking problem or psychological issue popped up someplace while you were interviewing and applying for a job?

I guess this is a little off the beaten path, but I believe that we should have the right to only be  known as the gender we now belong to, and by our chosen name. Period.

To Sandy's point, I'm just Julie--female.
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Seshatneferw

I don't really mind the current terms all that much, although it would be nice if the difference between transsexual and transgender could be easily understood from the difference between sex and gender. The main thing for me is to have a complete set, with similar terms for those who are not trans. As long as there are well-established terms only for us, the non-trans majority will simply consider themselves normal... :P

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Constance

Quote from: Julie Marie on March 27, 2010, 10:10:04 AM
In time it may become just a clothes thing but initially, from everyone I've talked to, there's a sexual arousal component to CDing.  But there was a time all crossdressing men were called ->-bleeped-<-.
Well, that's just because you haven't yet talked to me!  ;)

And, yes, ->-bleeped-<- was the original term for a cross-dressing man. Susan Styker asserts in her book Transgender History that this term is now descriptive of a sexual fetish and that cross-dresser is more of a gender presentation rather than a sexual fetish. This has been my experience as both a ->-bleeped-<- in my teens through early 30's, and now as a cross-dresser in my late 30's. Cross-dressing, for me, no longer provides any sexual satisfaction or excitement these days.

Chloe

"Trans"gendered implies a journey across, from point A to point B or from somewhere were not to somewhere we want to be whereas "cross"gendered, aside from the same connotation as above, can also denote conflict, a static short circut or signal mix up (of social cues?). . .

Something that, on the surface of it, is really quite simple and easily correctable?
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Kay

Hrmm.  Well, the largest problem with coming up with new terminology, is making it relevant enough for the general public to use.  The main problem being, that most people don't understand even the most basic parts of the relationship between sex and gender.  Until they are able to understand them as separate concepts, coming up with viable new terms that are meaningful is going to be difficult.  It's the same sort of problem you get with the alternate pronouns (hir, zie, etc...)  They're certainly viable words, they're generally short and simple combinations of current gendered pronouns...but they don't have much meaning outside of certain websites or internet based groups.  In the context to which you're referring (creating new words for broad social usage), such new terminology doesn't mean much when the public is unable to apply it.
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Some of this is going to take time.  Time for society to change their biased and incorrect philosophy on the matter of sex and gender.  As with races years ago..."Negroid" "Mongoloid"  These are ways that society used to classify races, often reflecting their prejudice.  (ie.  "Mongoloid" was long associated with down syndrome). 
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Negative stigma:  This is a big one.
I honestly think that these issues being included in the DSM does not help us.  Classifying a group as "mentally disordered" greatly stigmatizes them.  We can create all the new terms we like, but as long as those terms are associated with "mentally disordered," it's going to be difficult to create the fresh new meaning that you're looking for.
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Ok...enough with the naysaying and difficulties.  What can we do?
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If we take a page from different races, we would be looking to find a different wording that physically describes us or where we came from.  (Black, Negro, African-American etc)  If we do this, we're pretty much confined to "sex", "gender" and their synonyms or variations thereof.  As society often confuses sex and gender, if they even realize that there is a difference...along with the stigma that sexual topics carry in this society, this probably isn't the best way to coin a new term.
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If we take a page from gays, we would be looking to co-opt a word that relates positive imagery, but doesn't focus on the matter at hand within its verbiage.  (ie. gay used to only mean "happy, flambouant, etc 100 years ago.  Today, people generally don't use it that way without first considering its dual meaning.)
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For things that often can't be overtly seen like sexual preference or gender identity, this may be a better way to go.   But then the question is...what term to use?
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And here enters the difficulty of having such a broad community to define. 
"Transgender":  Whether it be about overt sexual markers (from clothing concerns and adornment to self image and body image) or about matters of mental/emotional expression, it's a vast and varied group of people to attempt to define within one word...while relating any meaning with that word other than "different from the norm."  I think Transgender works well for now in that rather broad capacity...though it's about as specific as saying "people" with all of the variation contained within that community.
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Part of the problem is how we currently look at the community, when we define the smaller Trans-sub-groups.  Often, we're defining based upon intent or motivation, which isn't something you can see...and, unlike homosexuality, the origin isn't seen as a constant within the sub-groups.  This makes creating acceptable words for the sub-groups more difficult.
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In short:
When someone says "I'm gay."  We don't ask..."how are you gay?"  It's understood: "Oh, so you like men.  Got it."
When someone says "I'm trans."  It's not so cut-and-dry.

I'm dressed as a man/woman (or something else society can see)...
...because I am one.
...because I was born with a birth defect.
...because it better reflects my gender.
...because I don't agree/identify with this society's rigid stereotypes.
...because I'm not a man/woman, but something else.
...because it makes me feel comfortable/relaxed.
...because it makes me feel horny.
...because its forbidden, and gives me a rush.
...because I think it's a lark/fun.
...because I'm a performer.
...etc...etc...etc...

To bring to quick summation, there really isn't any way to make a single word for all of trans individuals that will bring the clarity of meaning that is desired.  Unlike the relatively simplistic subjects that define "gay" or "black", it's just too varied of a group if we follow the current philosophy of delineating that group based upon intent/motivation.  (Perhaps we shouldn't?)
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So...lets look at a specific subgroup (my own): transsexual. 
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Personally, I don't care for the term.  Just as metrosexual has nothing to do with sexuality, transsexual is likewise misleading. 
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How to define the group though?
Some only want to be seen as men/women.  Any term at all, no matter how benign, would identify them as something else.
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Trans? = In between or Changing.  While perhaps accurate, "in-between" is something that many don't want to be seen as.  Perhaps more because of the lack of social acceptance, rather than the simple act of being.

Dual? = Both.  Accurate in some respects, but misleading in others...especially with the general ignorance about the relation of the subjects of sex and gender.
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I imagine that the term "gay" could have arose from watching 'flaming' effeminate gay men.  If you've ever had a gay friend like this, you know exactly what I'm talking about.  (Obviously it wouldn't work as well for all gay men, but I digress) I can't think of a word that would sum up a large amount of  transsexuals though, as even within that subgroup our experiences..and temperament...vary widely.  Some have arrived at a place that they are finally comfortable...while others are either just beginning, or on their way toward the same.  'Gender refugee' doesn't quite float my boat though. ;)
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Hrmm...still haven't gotten very far with coming up with a new name though.  It is a difficult quesiton. 
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Currently, I tend to prefer "Transgender" over transsexual or other similar terms.  Even if I have to explain what I mean, the term....to me...is not quite as misleading.
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Quote from: Janet Lynn on March 27, 2010, 10:17:12 AM
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Natalie3174

I am supposedly paranoid schizohprenic. But anway the voices I hear sometimes call me a Trans-section and a sheman. They are not my ideas. Sometimes I wish I could put a face to these voices I hear and then I could make up terminolgy for them. Darn voices I wish they would shut up.
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Sarah B

"Female".  Full stop, end of discussion nothing less and nothing more.  I never was "Trans" anything, never was and never will be, or as Sandy said, "Women".

Yes I realize, that in some of my posts I say "I changed my gender", why?  I do so for clarity in what I am trying to say to others and I do not use derogatory terms and I avoid using the "trans" prefixed words as much as possible.

I have always been a female and I always will be.

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Miniar

I just had a rant at my mum over a bank that changed it's name following getting caught being stupid.

I don't agree that changing your name is the right approach.
The foreigners that changed their names when they came to America did so to hide their past, hide where they came from.

I'm not going to hide my past, hide where I came from.

No title is gonna change that this man, me, came into his physical masculinity differently than his blood brothers. I can never undo the facts of the first 20 years of my life.
I choose to accept them, and live with them. (It may be hard sometimes, but I'd rather accept all that I am than anything else.)

I don't think that changing our "title" and distancing ourselves from those who were hated in the past and those that are hated now, is the solution really. I'd rather see people work to increase understanding and acceptance thought the spread of information.
Seems more likely to have a genuine effect.

Cause you know, as soon as people realize what the new term means, they'll just go "oh.. a ->-bleeped-<-" and the new term will then be just as useless as the old one.



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Dianna

When I had GRS 30 years ago, transsexual was the word used, I will always use that word.
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no_id

Quote from: Miniar on March 28, 2010, 07:19:24 AM
I don't think that changing our "title" and distancing ourselves from those who were hated in the past and those that are hated now, is the solution really. I'd rather see people work to increase understanding and acceptance thought the spread of information.
Seems more likely to have a genuine effect.

Cause you know, as soon as people realize what the new term means, they'll just go "oh.. a ->-bleeped-<-" and the new term will then be just as useless as the old one.

+1

Additionally, from a 'I'm not a transsexual' standpoint I kind of fancy the current umbrella definition of 'Transgender', and so 'err' at the suggestion to turn it into 'Female/Male'. Awww.
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