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A New Term for Transgender - Any Ideas?

Started by Julie Marie, March 27, 2010, 08:02:02 AM

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juliekins

Quote from: MMarieN on March 28, 2010, 12:23:15 PM
Human being.

As in 'bean there, done it'?

I served my time in prison (gender, that is, about 46 years) and have been paroled for life! :police:

How about the term, "FREE" ?
"I don't need your acceptance, just your love"
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Julie Marie

The problem as I see it is this - at some point in your post transitional life (clarification) you will most likely run into someone or something that will out you or discover your birth gender.  At that point the person with that information will label you (if they already didn't know and already hadn't labeled you).  It's a fact of life.

The term we use could be something like HALCYON, calm and peaceful, tranquil.  So many of us talk about the inner peace we experience once we come to be ourselves.  And the word has positive imagery attached to it and if properly marketed we could create positive imagery of those who do not fall into the gender binary concept.

I'll take that over any of the terminology used today.
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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PanoramaIsland

I don't see anything wrong with the words "transgender" and "transsexual." They are usually accurate: transcending culturally-imposed, sex-determined binary gender, in the first case, and transitioning or transforming one's physical sex in the second.

I've not had any experiences that would lead me to believe that "transgender" is a bad word that must be discarded. Certainly, "transsexual" has been stigmatized, but unlike other words - "he-she" and "->-bleeped-<-" come to mind - it's usually accurate, embraced by most of the people it describes, and respects the distinction between psychological gender and physical sex. In this sense, "transsexual" just refers to people who transform their bodies and physical presentation for gender reasons: taking hormones and hormone blockers, getting top surgery and genital surgery, undergoing electrolysis, et cetera.

Certainly, "transsexual" has an image problem. It tends to conjure up a trivializing, condescending and negative image of MtFs, which harms FtMs and genderqueer/gender-variant folks as well, simply by ignoring that they exist. It also tends to be extremely gender-binary, and the concept of "transsexuality" can enforce gender-binariness on trans people (I tend not to use it on myself for this reason). However, the solution to this is wider education, and visibility for trans people who do not fit the stereotype.

I've never seen any problem with "transgender," though, or heard it used in a pejorative way.
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Sarah B

When I found out about the word "transsexual" from an article I was reading over 31 years ago.  I did not like the term then and I detest the term now.

The article from a 'mens' magazine showed a picture (drawings of different stages) of a boy/male changing into a girl/female.  That article and that article alone told me that I was a girl/female.

The terms "HALCYON, calm and peaceful, tranquil" to describe us is ridiculous, because any "sentient human being" can have  those labels.

Kind regards
Sarah B
Be who you want to be.
Sarah's Story
Feb 1989 Living my life as Sarah.
Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.
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Nicky

I think if the whole brain intersexed thing becomes accepted as the 'cause' there could be some good names to fall out of that for the 'condition' rather than who we are.

But then maybe there is a danger I might become a man with an intersexed brain condition rather than the woman with an intersexed body condition.

We could go with a word that does not in itself describe the condition, just names it assomething.

Call it 'The Nicki' lol. I'm a woman with The Nicki.

(Not that I am advocating a new word, just adding to the mix)
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juliekins

I think to Julie's point, it would be nice to come up with a term akin to 'gay'. It should be a positive type of expression.

I understand and appreciate the halcyon term, though I was digging deep into the online thesaurus around the concepts of:

*one who has journeyed, or gone on a passage or returned to a homeland
*a person who has found completion, integration and peace
*one who has conquered or overcome, a winner
*a person whose condition is one of matching body, mind & soul

The best thing, I think of course, it to live our lives with dignity-showing others 'in the norm' that we are healthy, interesting, talented, contributors to society. Our change should be viewed with respect, and not anymore controversial than one who has emigrated from another place or one who has changed their philosophy or religion.
"I don't need your acceptance, just your love"
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Arch

"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Sarah B

Be who you want to be.
Sarah's Story
Feb 1989 Living my life as Sarah.
Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.
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Amazon D

Yes the Indians had it right calling us TWO SPIRITS
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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kyril

Quote from: M2MtF2FtM on March 28, 2010, 05:09:10 PM
Yes the Indians had it right calling us TWO SPIRITS
Perhaps, for those of you who are androgyne/bigendered or identify as two-spirits. For those of us who don't in any way identify with our birth sex/gender, though, it doesn't work.

I know I personally have an extremely uncomfortable relationship with women/femaleness because there just isn't a female part of me, no matter what everyone else sees. There's an effeminate side to my personality, but that's different.

As far as terms: I just use "trans." People can hear "transsexual" or "transgender" or whatever term "trans" evokes, and that's fine, but I don't care to specify, or to divide myself from other people with trans* experiences. I don't need a perfect word that describes me precisely and in detail; as long as the word isn't giving false impressions (like two-spirit) it works just fine. I figure if someone's really interested in the specifics of my particular gender situation, they're going to give me more than one word to describe myself.


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Amazon D

Quote from: kyril on March 28, 2010, 05:34:23 PM
Perhaps, for those of you who are androgyne/bigendered or identify as two-spirits. For those of us who don't in any way identify with our birth sex/gender, though, it doesn't work.

I know I personally have an extremely uncomfortable relationship with women/femaleness because there just isn't a female part of me, no matter what everyone else sees. There's an effeminate side to my personality, but that's different.

As far as terms: I just use "trans." People can hear "transsexual" or "transgender" or whatever term "trans" evokes, and that's fine, but I don't care to specify, or to divide myself from other people with trans* experiences. I don't need a perfect word that describes me precisely and in detail; as long as the word isn't giving false impressions (like two-spirit) it works just fine. I figure if someone's really interested in the specifics of my particular gender situation, they're going to give me more than one word to describe myself.



Opps i didn't mean to be saying we all have to be seen as two spirits and i know how you feel, i also felt like you 5 or so years ago..   :embarrassed:
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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ativan

Quote from: kyril on March 28, 2010, 05:34:23 PM
as long as the word isn't giving false impressions (like two-spirit) it works just fine.
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kyril

Quote from: ativan on March 28, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
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I mean that as applied to me (in other words, I don't think two-spirit works as a general term because it leaves out a lot of trans* people, including myself). Two-spirit obviously works fine as a specific term for the people it describes.


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ativan

I was pretty sure thats what you meant.....
I wasn't sure if Two spirit was wrong, works for me. And I see your point completely.
Thank you
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Sandy

I maintain that I am a woman, with a transsexual condition.  Just like I could be a woman with a diabetic condition.  Or a woman with a broken arm.  Or a woman with a good heartbeat.

One describes a condition of my mind, while the other describes a condition of my body.

However, whether we use "halcyon" or "cinnamon toast", unless the public buys into it, it really won't go anywhere.  Though while I do kind of like halcyon, it implies to me that it describes those of us who have completed transition.  There are those of us who are in the midst of coming to themselves or have stalled in transition that are anything but tranquil.  We have all been there!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Julie Marie

Sadly, once we venture out into the world, it doesn't matter what any one of us individually wants to be called or how we see ourselves.  The world will see you as it deems fit and call you what it wants.  And the labels it attaches to people it sees as different sometimes carry a stigma.

Inside our community, we will get a lot more acceptance than outside it.  But there's a faction within the gay and lesbian community who views TGs negatively.  And once you venture out into that great big world, the numbers increase dramatically.

Like it or not, transgender, transsexual, crossdresser, intersex, androgyne, genderqueer and every other terminology we use has a negative stigma attached to it.  And once your birth gender is known, that stigma will be attached to you and there's little you can do about it.  It could be an employer, your local politician, a religious leader or your neighbor, and when that stigma is attached to you, it could result in an having adverse effect on your life.  Too many of that have experienced that first hand.

Look at the resistance there's been against same sex marriage, DADT, and ENDA.  That's because of the negative stigma.  And the TG stigma is so bad ENDA proponents initially wanted to leave it out of the bill because they feared TG would kill it.  And they're supposed to be our friends!

When the opponents of same sex marriage, DADT and ENDA speak, they use the term "homosexual agenda", not "gay agenda".  They like "homosexual" because it has a more negative stigma and, for their followers, creates a higher level of fear.  The gay community recognized the negative stigma was not going away anytime soon so they came up with the term gay to identify people who were sexually attracted to those of their own gender.  And, as far as lessening the stigma, it worked.

"Gay" had nothing to do with same sex attraction.  The word was chosen because it meant happy and carefree.  They were sending a message, "We're not flawed, we're not miserable, we don't want to be changed, we're happy being just the way we are."  And most people got it.  Along with that movement came pride.  I don't ever remember hearing "Homo Pride" or "Homo Pride Parade" back before the term gay was used.  But we see "Gay Pride" a lot today and now, practically every big city has a Gay Pride Parade.

And that's why I feel we need to find a word that has nothing to do with gender, changing or sex.  The word simply has to send the message we are happy with who we are, at peace with who we are and we don't want to be changed or fixed.  The reason I like the word halcyon is because it conjures up images of peaceful, happiness, content, serene, non-violent, non-aggressive and it's not a commonly used word that wouldn't get as much resistance as more commonly words would.  It is a lot like "gay" in those respects.

Along the way we can educate those who will listen that the gender binary is a myth, it's a gender spectrum, and it's harmless.  It is simply a fact of life.  We can let them know sex isn't why we are who we are.  It's all in the marketing.

Sure, there will be those who will resist, say it's stupid, etc.  I'm sure there were plenty, both within and without the gay community who reacted that way.   Change always brings about resistance.  But as long as there's perseverance and a positive marketing campaign, it will eventually take hold.

The question is, "Is there enough of us out there who have what it takes to make it happen?"
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Amazon D

I love the way you explain your thoughs here Julie. Maybe we should just call ourselves "HAPPY" because we are much happier doing what we do than being told we should be happy the way we are / were.

EX:
Happy people tend to go through some form of gender identity reversals.

We happy people have come to realize that we are strong people.

There are a lot of happy people living true to their selves.

Everyone has a variation in them that relates to them being described scientifically as a happy person.


WERE NOT GAY WERE HAPPY!! :laugh:

Quote from: Julie Marie on March 29, 2010, 10:38:21 AM
Sadly, once we venture out into the world, it doesn't matter what any one of us individually wants to be called or how we see ourselves.  The world will see you as it deems fit and call you what it wants.  And the labels it attaches to people it sees as different sometimes carry a stigma.

Inside our community, we will get a lot more acceptance than outside it.  But there's a faction within the gay and lesbian community who views TGs negatively.  And once you venture out into that great big world, the numbers increase dramatically.

Like it or not, transgender, transsexual, crossdresser, intersex, androgyne, genderqueer and every other terminology we use has a negative stigma attached to it.  And once your birth gender is known, that stigma will be attached to you and there's little you can do about it.  It could be an employer, your local politician, a religious leader or your neighbor, and when that stigma is attached to you, it could result in an having adverse effect on your life.  Too many of that have experienced that first hand.

Look at the resistance there's been against same sex marriage, DADT, and ENDA.  That's because of the negative stigma.  And the TG stigma is so bad ENDA proponents initially wanted to leave it out of the bill because they feared TG would kill it.  And they're supposed to be our friends!

When the opponents of same sex marriage, DADT and ENDA speak, they use the term "homosexual agenda", not "gay agenda".  They like "homosexual" because it has a more negative stigma and, for their followers, creates a higher level of fear.  The gay community recognized the negative stigma was not going away anytime soon so they came up with the term gay to identify people who were sexually attracted to those of their own gender.  And, as far as lessening the stigma, it worked.

"Gay" had nothing to do with same sex attraction.  The word was chosen because it meant happy and carefree.  They were sending a message, "We're not flawed, we're not miserable, we don't want to be changed, we're happy being just the way we are."  And most people got it.  Along with that movement came pride.  I don't ever remember hearing "Homo Pride" or "Homo Pride Parade" back before the term gay was used.  But we see "Gay Pride" a lot today and now, practically every big city has a Gay Pride Parade.

And that's why I feel we need to find a word that has nothing to do with gender, changing or sex.  The word simply has to send the message we are happy with who we are, at peace with who we are and we don't want to be changed or fixed.  The reason I like the word halcyon is because it conjures up images of peaceful, happiness, content, serene, non-violent, non-aggressive and it's not a commonly used word that wouldn't get as much resistance as more commonly words would.  It is a lot like "gay" in those respects.

Along the way we can educate those who will listen that the gender binary is a myth, it's a gender spectrum, and it's harmless.  It is simply a fact of life.  We can let them know sex isn't why we are who we are.  It's all in the marketing.

Sure, there will be those who will resist, say it's stupid, etc.  I'm sure there were plenty, both within and without the gay community who reacted that way.   Change always brings about resistance.  But as long as there's perseverance and a positive marketing campaign, it will eventually take hold.

The question is, "Is there enough of us out there who have what it takes to make it happen?"

I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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juliekins

Quote from: M2MtF2FtM on March 29, 2010, 11:26:32 AM
WERE NOT GAY WERE HAPPY!! :laugh:


Maybe we're GAPPY!  8) "as in filling the gender gap, happily"
"I don't need your acceptance, just your love"
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cynthialee

How about this...
Butterflies

It is a symbol adopted by the trans comunity long ago. People have positive asociation with butterflies.

(I know kinda gay...)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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