I've seen alot of this argument against Trans pepole. The idea goes that we were merely pandering to a gender stereotype a clichéd sexist ideal both socially emotionally and physically of what a male and female ought to be and morph ourselves into this internalized image. imposing this onto society and providing reinforcement to those traditional gender roles and fundamentally undermining the idea of sex equality.

I can't help but wonder how many trans pepole they've met. I mean I don't think I propagate a negative or stereotypical ideal of what it would be like to be female I REALLY want to be a scientist, I hope I have a career in biological sciences I have no interest in becoming a begin a kept woman I'd be terrible with young children I find very young kids grating.

I also don't like make-up I don't hate it to the point that I would NEVER wear it but I just feel it's been overdone. Alot of girls wear it everyday and I feel that doing that removes from it's impact and thus dosen't actually make you more attractive. It's also because it's gritty and I always make a compete ham of it smudging or getting it in my eyes.

So to you guys how are you not like what is stereotypically expected of your desired gender role?

Don't like sports. Don't know all that much about cars. Not very aggressive.

I cry too frequently (GID).

I have surprised myself at how typically female I am.  Who knew?

Still, I love cars and almost anything with wheels.  I was an avid motorcyclist until I got sidetracked transitioning.  Once I heal I hope to take a little motorcycle trip (alone) to visit friends – about 5,000 miles.  I like shooting.  Even in my sixties I still shovel the snow at my church, although I've been slowing down a little.   I'm pretty handy fixing things and don't expect that to be removed along with my testicles.  I would have made a lousy mother but hope to be a decent grandmother or auntie.  (As a grandmother, you aren't stuck with the kids constantly.)  When push comes to shove I can be pretty forceful.

But other than that and perhaps some things I can't think of now, I'm just a friendly, happy woman.

- Kate

Lets see..
I am MTF yet I love action movies and guns and knives. I do not like chick flicks. I am very much a homebody and I am the housewife in my home. So that way I am kinda steriotypical. But I love to blast heavy metal and black metal when I am alone.

I am a blend of male and female, why wouldn't my interests reflect that.

I live in jeans and tops, must like I always have.  I am still a handy woman, fixing things that need it.  If push comes to shove I can still fix the car.

I like action movies, sci fi, and horror movies.  I do clean house to Cher, country music or Big Band.  But I still like getting dressed up to go out.  I enjoy it when guys check me out. 

I like metal (I like light stuff too) and that is considered manly I guess.
I love to play paintball (even though I haven't in a few years due to $).
I am into computers, Linux and programming in Pascal, I guess that isn't feminine
I think 'The Bad Girls Club" and "keeping up with the Kardashians" are both utterly terrible shows.
I like classic cars, and I can change my spark plugs, adjust my choke, change my oil, etc.
I am a gun owner, and not a half bad shot.

Of course, I do a frightening number of stereotypical feminine things, I love cooking, I am the housewife currently, I do like chick flicks, I love anything soft, furry, and cute; I hate going out without making sure my (very long) hair is doing what I want it to. I watch daytime talk shows, etc I could go on for days....

I've always sort of considered male and female differences thrust upon us by society but, nowadays I am not so sure... For now it is just easier not to worry and just say that it is what it is.

I act the way I feel. The way that's me.

I acted like a stereotype of maleness for all my 7 years of being a teenager, now I've finally stopped and I don't think about it anymore. I don't try to act like anything anymore, I just be me.

And if who I am is stereotypical, or stereotypical in some ways, of being one gender or the other, oh well, that's who I am.

Stereotypes are stereotypes because a lot of the time they're somewhat true.

I am not a gender that is recognised well enough to be stereotyped. Its more common that people know I am biologicaly female, and try to assign a stereotype that is wrong. Same goes for the people who know me as male and joke about me being girly. I've learned to make jokes about my self.

recent example-  I work with a theatre company on the set construction crew.  The recent newsletter mentioned me among new members, saying I was on the set decoration crew. Obviously it was a mistake, because I'm a girl, and was clearly using a paint brush instead of drill and table saw.  whatever.

Lets see, erm, nothing that really says male or female?  Pretty much everything about me could be described as gender neutral

I have to say my medical journey through this playground was all about my physical anatomical SEX and not gender.

It worries me not one jot whether I am precieved as a female bodied woman or as a female bodied man as long as I am percieved as female bodied.

I self define as a woman, and so I do prefer that definition, but I claim as my rightful playground the entire spectrum of human gender expression. It is true that I probably exhibit more female than male characteristics but I personally acknowledge no absolute boundaries.

I hate gender stereotypes, women can be tough, men can be pretty!

I love to play sports, mostly hockey and I occasionally watch hockey too. That might just be my Canadian blood though  . I'm a bad cook, I can do simple stuff like make soup or something... pretty much anything else is using the microwave and toaster . I don't eat meat though so it's not like cooking is important  . I like action movies, but I pretty much can enjoy any genre except horror.

Even though stereotypes bug me, I do fit a lot of female ones, make-up, girly clothes (although I almost always wear jeans), easy-going/submissive, emotional, love chick flicks, cute cuddly things like kitties  , I could go on and on. I feel like I'm not helping the situation when it comes to stereotypes, as I fit a lot of them, it's just who I am though, I don't think of it too much .

I fit a lot of male stereotypes - I'm an applied math major, I'm into computers, I love hockey and basketball (watching) and soccer and baseball (playing), I'm not especially talkative and I get hopelessly confused by most 'feelings' conversations. When I'm single I'm fairly promiscuous and sexually aggressive. I don't know what to do with children. My usual taste in clothing is best described as 'drab.' And I'm an online gamer, a Navy veteran, and a fairly good aircraft mechanic.

But I prefer sweet mixed drinks to beer and dark liquor, I know nothing whatsoever about cars (though I can fix one if someone can point me to the part that's broken), I love pop music and boy bands, I smile a lot and giggle a little bit, I love to cuddle with my friends, I dance (with my hips) and I don't ever plan to lose the inflections in my voice, which are much more gay boy than straight girl already anyway. I exfoliate and moisturize and use hair product and shave pretty much everywhere. And when I've been on T a little bit and have had top surgery, one of the first things I'm going to do post-op is buy a tight pink shirt and skinny jeans and wear them out to a club, and I don't care who knows it!

Hmm...

Well, I do fit a lot of male stereotypes, but there are a few female/not male things that I like or do.

1) I can handle watching stuff like Ouran High School Host Club (even though I HATE romance) because I think it's funny
2) I don't like sports much. Maybe it's just because I'm not good at them. 
3) I don't like working on cars; just too much stuff to do, and I don't think it really actually helps anything. (Although, I do love me a good sports car  )
4) (If I was actually fit enough to be good at fighting...) I prefer a nimble fighting style over just brute force.
5) I love to collect Asian things (esp. Japanese) and Anime/Manga things (although this isn't really stereotypically male or female, Asian things--like cherry blossoms and stuff--are kind of feminine).
6) I am extremely level-headed and logical (not to say that guys/girls aren't logical, but stereotypically, guys are considered extremely violent, and girls are considered to be obsessed with their emotions).

That's more than I thought I'd be able to come up with.  Glad I got to sit down and actually think about it for a minute, though. I've needed an excuse to do it.

Well, for one thing, much of my musical taste isn't especially "girly". No-wave, experimental industrial, noise, power noise, doom metal - not exactly princess and peach puff stuff. I've always had steel-toed boots in my wardrobe, and I enjoy patched, pinned and studded clothing. My hair is close-cropped over most of my head, with large pink bangs, and until recently I had a mohawk.  Hmm, what else? I can be fairly loud, and I've been known to get in fights. There are other things, but those are a few of my less... "girly" traits.

I guess I AM a stereotypical woman with the exception that my childhood and teens taught me how to fight effectively for what is important to me. When other women say they admire me and wish they could be more like me, I feel very proud 

lets see for me i think im stereo typical but not by conscious effort i like cooking and once wanted to be a chef i love food network. especially Giada. i dont like sports at all playing or watching totally pointless to me. i like drama movies and horror i like to read and i like to go to clubs and people watch. in other ways not so typical like im no good at conversation. i hate a phone with a passion its so impersonal. i guess im a mix of both but the more traditional male things like hunting beer drinking and fast cars do nothing for me show me your at least as smart as me preferably smarter and im attracted lol.
jessica

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6) I am extremely level-headed and logical (not to say that guys/girls aren't logical, but stereotypically, guys are considered extremely violent, and girls are considered to be obsessed with their emotions).


guys are extreamly violent in my oppinion its what makes me so uncomfortable around them but thats me

I suck at ALL sports (exception: swimming. figures, eh?) , and I can't tell a ferrari from a mercedes. Two of my biggest downfalls from my point of view.

HmMmm I like sports, well football at least. I don't really care for much other sports really when I think about it. But I do love watching football, and go borderline crazy fan behavior for the New York Giants. I like video games from time to time, although I prefer Super Nintendo to any of the newer systems and stuff... I like playing video games with my friends though and rarely on my own. That is all I can really think of, my other interests are either feminine or even stereotypically transcend gender barriers.

Quote from: Katelyn-W on March 30, 2010, 03:02:23 PM
That might just be my Canadian blood though  .

100% the Canadian blood, myself, my mother, my step sister and almost every gg I know loves it just as much, if not more then the males.

Vancouver better get past the second round this year...

I love video games and roleplaying, and actually want to be a game designer. Furthermore. I don't wear excessive amounts of make up. Just some concealer and foundation to cover what is left of my beard, and maybe a little lipstick and lip gloss. I don't bother with eyeliner, eye shadow, mascara or even blush. I do dress and behave feminine but I never go over the top.  I actually enjoy wearing jeans, and only occasionally put on a skirt in public. While I like "girly" music like Kelly Clarkson and Katy Perry, I also enjoy "hardcore" music like Alice Cooper and Nightwish, as well as classic rock, like Queen and Aerosmith.

I am a very feminine girl, but I do have masculine qualities.... but when you think about it, every girl does. It really annoys me when people try to poke the finger at me and say "You can't be a girl if you like video games and rock music!" when I know so many biological women who enjoy these things too. Does that make them all men as well? Seriously.... down with double standards!