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Non ops and hormone therapy?

Started by kimberrrly, March 05, 2010, 09:02:50 AM

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kimberrrly

I have several questions:

1) What is the best hormone therapy for non ups who want to feminize themselves without loosing the ability for erections and orgasm?

2) Is orchiectomy really nessecary?  and why?

What do the docters even know about hormones. For instance to have estrogens without progesterone is not a normal female hormonal balance. Do the doctors really know what they are doing and is good for us? Since they dont even seem to know how to help woman in meno pauze? What do they really know for sure about our health anyway.

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kimberrrly

Well I live as a woman, and dont want to be entirely male hormonally because I want to stay feminine and the male sexual drive is way to overwhelming for me, but I dont want to become asexual on the other hand (which is what's happening now, I am on HRT).

I also wonder how the so called ->-bleeped-<-s do this? They look entirely female, but are orgasmic and do have erections.
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Flan

*headdeak*
please, banish the word "->-bleeped-<-" from use. (because nobody should be reduced to their genitals)

that said, antiandrogens will *not* limit the ability to perform sexually, it just takes longer to get in the mood. the other side effects apply, most notably sterility.
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Janet_Girl

#3
I had my orchie because I wanted to reduce the side effects from the Spiro.  And who knows when I will be able to have SRS.  At least now I feel better about my body.  Not 100% but closer.
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kimberrrly

sorry I did not mean to offend... I am TG /non op TS myself and am sometimes amused
by the term because it sounds sooo ehm cultmovie-ish?

I  know I am a woman despite my *choice* not to *choose* surgery at this point in my life.
and would not want to be regarded as anything else...
just tried to make my point clear
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jilledwards

I'm still fairly new here and glad I just read I can't give specific dose information.

I have been taking a low dose of Estrogen and Spiro for years and still am able to keep active by stopping after a time and then starting up again. I do this with my doctors supervision and more frequent visits.  Due to my getting older they are becoming concerned with this stop and start approach and possible affects on my health.  Also as time goes on it is taking longer and longer to get back up to speed so to speak.   I will say that stopping and starting is hard on me but it keeps my GID at bay. At these levels feminizing is minimal but being younger perhaps (with a doctors supervision) you could work up to a higher limit ?     
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kimberrrly

Hi there!

Thanks for the reply.
Due to health problems, I cannot start and stop...
so I have to take hormones constantly.. sometimes I do have erections when aroused on a low dose of T blocker and estrogens, but I am planning on increasing the estrogen due to health issues so I guess it wil be harder then...I am not sure...

Do you stop entirely? when you do... or do you just take less hormones then?

Thanks for the understanding post...

love
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jilledwards

Basically I stop twice a year.  I start low work up slowly then down again and completely stop. It takes about a month until I start to have those morning surprises again. A couple more weeks and I'm go to go for a while again.  A lot of transsexuals have a problem with that. And if I were able to transition like others I would give it up in a heartbeat and this would not be a issue for me either. But as I can't transition and I am bisexual I still have other options.     
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Just Kate

I had an orchi, but can still get erections (unfortunately for me).  When I was off all hormones (after the orchi) my sex drive was nill, but it could still be aroused.  On hormones (any even with the orchi) my sex drive has returned.
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kimberrrly

#9
I wonder are you taking estrogens only or are you also taking progesterone?
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gothique11

It's called use viagra or levitra - I know t-girls who end up using either one for erectile dysfunction (for whatever personal reasons they had). Neither will increase or decrease your hormone levels of other T or E (as far as I know).



Post Merge: April 08, 2010, 07:28:36 AM

Also, I don't think T always equals sex drive -- I'm post-op and I'm a nympho. Of course, being post-op means I don't produce much T. I even tested recently, yep, as expected, low amounts of T. I think a lot of sex-drive is in the mind. I think it's 'cause male-bodies are used to relying on T for that drive... but in a way, you need to unlearn that and learn to use your mind to turn on your fires. Things get unblocked and then it's pretty easy from there.
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Just Kate

Quote from: kimberrrly on April 05, 2010, 02:41:17 PM
I wonder are you taking estrogens only or are you also taking progesterone?

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Kimberly

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deviousxen

Ok... So this is gonna sound really weird.. But it will probably take me a long long time until I'm capable of affording SRS...


Now... Its been about 3 years of HRT and I've noticed some considerable changes to the area besides atrophy. The skin has completely changed, and whatever cells die, when they regrow I guess they've been reforming around what I have and making a kind of half assed labia. What I'm extremely curious about is how far does it go/revert/change in this manner? I've heard of cells normalizing after SRS, but I've already gotten a ton of changes down there. My therapist had mentioned that the longer you're on as a non-op (so far), the more reminiscent of an FtM it will start to look. There seems to be very little data of this on the internet... I'm wondering what else is going to happen/what people end up looking like if they've been on HRT for like 4-6 years, when non-op. Also, I might have an androgen disorder; I've grown actual hip bone. Its entirely possible because of the age I started, yes, but its been very noticeable, and I had signs of osteoporosis way before HRT, so its kind of astounding, actually.


Does anybody know of a single photograph or ANY descriptions of how far this happens/eventualities? It just seems extremely sparse and I want to know what I'm going to have to live with, even though I might be entirely dysphoric with it. I feel like I have to keep constant track of it and recallibrate myself sexually as often as I can muster it, cause I'm terrified of being anorgasmic post-op.


I'm serious about all of this... How much further has it been known to change? Its completely different now, and I have to know this.
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pheonix

Quote from: Kara-Xen on August 28, 2010, 04:44:21 AM
Ok... So this is gonna sound really weird.. But it will probably take me a long long time until I'm capable of affording SRS...


Now... Its been about 3 years of HRT and I've noticed some considerable changes to the area besides atrophy. The skin has completely changed, and whatever cells die, when they regrow I guess they've been reforming around what I have and making a kind of half assed labia. What I'm extremely curious about is how far does it go/revert/change in this manner? I've heard of cells normalizing after SRS, but I've already gotten a ton of changes down there. My therapist had mentioned that the longer you're on as a non-op (so far), the more reminiscent of an FtM it will start to look. There seems to be very little data of this on the internet... I'm wondering what else is going to happen/what people end up looking like if they've been on HRT for like 4-6 years, when non-op. Also, I might have an androgen disorder; I've grown actual hip bone. Its entirely possible because of the age I started, yes, but its been very noticeable, and I had signs of osteoporosis way before HRT, so its kind of astounding, actually.


Does anybody know of a single photograph or ANY descriptions of how far this happens/eventualities? It just seems extremely sparse and I want to know what I'm going to have to live with, even though I might be entirely dysphoric with it. I feel like I have to keep constant track of it and recallibrate myself sexually as often as I can muster it, cause I'm terrified of being anorgasmic post-op.


I'm serious about all of this... How much further has it been known to change? Its completely different now, and I have to know this.

Kara,

Honestly it sounds like you have something biologically going on besides just being a non-op transwoman on HRT.  If you have an endocrinologist, talk with her; if you don't, you might want to consider getting one.  You may have some sort of intersex condition because to the best of my knowledge what you describe is atypical.
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deviousxen

Well keep in mind I started HRT when I was 19 and ALMOST done with male puberty. Its pretty apparent that I have an androgen disorder but I haven't taken any tests for that yet. I have a lot of chemical deficiencies in my brain and body I've been trying to repair and only recently has there been more light shined on it.


As for the genitalia... It looked pretty much completely male when I started this. It was skinny, yes, but male nonetheless. Its atrophied pretty bad and I using words like "Labia" or "labial" To describe what they're starting to look like. Is it a distinct opening or real, functiioning labia or the rest of the pieces? No..

But my point is that its becoming like that. I've heard many others get the same thing, not just me.. But others who transitioned at a young age. I doubt I'm literally some high sort of intersexed, but androgen disorder seems likely.


I'm just curious how much further that will go and who else knows of  stuff like this happening, personally, to them. MtFs that is.... Check your stuff after 3 years. What do you have?
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Lacey Lynne

@ Kara-Xen:

First, doctors know a TREMENDOUS amount about everything discussed in this thread.  Medical researchers have this subject matter down in exquisite detail even down to the molecular level.  I kid you not.  My job is quality control checking medical transcription at major hospitals all over the U.S.A.  I did frontline medical transcription for years.  All told, I've been in this line of work for about 15 years.  That's how I know these things.

Start with this link in your research:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen

This is a really good starting point for the layperson who is not a medical specialist.  Follow the links of interest to you, of which there will be many. 

I could give you way technical links from databases used by endocrinological and neuropharmalogical researchers, but these are confidential to my work, and I simply cannot give anybody these links in good conscience.  Sorry, but I simply cannot, for to do so would not be right.  Again, follow the wikipedia links for further information on this topic. 

Second, because you began hormone replacement therapy in your transition at age 19, you were by no means finished with pubescence.  This, more than anything else, is why your changes have been profound and dramatic.  Non-ops who have hormone replacement therapy young like you did experience things like you are experiencing.  Realize, of course, that each person's reaction to hormone replacement therapy is unique. 

Third, I doubt that you have either an endocrinological abnormality or any manner of genetic disorder.  This could be the case, but it is rather unlikely.  Had you genuinely had such a condition, it would have manifested itself before you commenced hormone replacement therapy. 

Because of the work I do, I have access to databases that only doctors can access.  My point?  Yes, I've seen what you describe that you have.  Yes, doctors know a whole lot about it.  Yes, this is most likely happening because of your not yet being out of pubescence when you began your hormone replacement therapy.

Sexual function and hormone replacement therapy?  Totally an individual proposition.  Should you remain a preop?  Your decision all the way.  Might you become involuntarily asexual?  Indeed, that may happen.  Mind you, I'm in the same exact situation myself albeit at a much older age than you.  This bums me out, but I'm much older.  If I were your age, it would way bum me out. 

What can be done?  See an open-minded, qualified doctor and talk it over.  The problem is not that doctors don't know about these things.  The problem is that they have personal prejudices and often shy away from these things.  Mind you, your everyday endrocrinologist will NOT know about hormone replacement therapy involving sex hormones all that much.  You would be well advised to see an endocrinologist who specializes in treating people with sex hormone issues.  That would be by way of referral from another doctor. 

Really think it over before getting doctors deeply into this issue.  It will be a very expensive proposition for you.  The kind of specialists I'm talking about here are totally pricey.  Unless you have insurance that WILL cover these visits, rethink this option.  Don't mean to bum you out, but I'm telling you this so that you know it ahead of time.  We're talking expensive specialists here.  Just telling you so you know, that's all.

It's a touchy situation.  Hope you can work it out, I really do.  I feel your pain, again, because I'm experiencing the same thing you are, moreorless, but I'm much older, so my time is past anyway. 

Best of luck with this.   
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Dana Lane

The best advice anyone should give you in this situation is to consult your doctor! Hormones are not something you can just play around with. HRT can be very dangerous if you are not properly cared for by a doctor.
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deviousxen

Quote from: Dana Lane on September 07, 2010, 02:51:41 PM
The best advice anyone should give you in this situation is to consult your doctor! Hormones are not something you can just play around with. HRT can be very dangerous if you are not properly cared for by a doctor.

I'm prescribed. Its not like I'm just starting. I have a gender therapist too... And the reasons for possible androgen disorder or something is because the cortisol had a weird level and I show other possible signs in my physical structure because my therapist is very knowledgeable on these things. She's a gender therapist as well.

And why is it so bad to show others research data or results? Why does science have to be private? Of course there are confidentiality things. Those I WOULD understand, but what?

Its not necessary bumming me out, but its still strange and unexpected is all. I'm more afraid of the final surgery not having enough material to make it the right size... Cause of atrophy cause I can't afford anything that major for a long long time... I do not wish to remain preop, I'm too dysphoric. I am on this thread not cause I WANT to remain this way, but because I have no other choice... :o
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Lacey Lynne

Quote from: Dana Lane on September 07, 2010, 02:51:41 PM
The best advice anyone should give you in this situation is to consult your doctor! Hormones are not something you can just play around with. HRT can be very dangerous if you are not properly cared for by a doctor.

Totally agree with Dana. 
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deviousxen

Quote from: LaceyLynne on September 13, 2010, 10:22:23 PM
Totally agree with Dana.

=_=; *Facepalm* Read what I just saiiiiid.

I mean yeah I can ask my endo a bit and my gender therapist a bit, but I don't really have any other choices here. They're the egomaniacal kind that think I'm butting in on their territory just for asking questions... Which I think is perfectly reasonable because I'm the one ON the hormones, not the person who's prescribing them and has never even been through menopause. I just think more data should be available as well as documentation of affects and outcomes. That'd be more helpful and would ease my thoughts a bit.
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