I'm not competitive, I'm nowhere near macho, I have a very low sex drive, I'm not very outgoing, I'm not very dominant or intimidating, I'm not sporty, I like to read a lot, I don't mind doing housework and actually quite like it sometimes.

There was a website with gender stereotypes on that someone posted on another forum, and here are my answers from that.

The website is - http://1020blog.wordpress.com/2007/01/25/stereotypes-of-the-male-and-female/.

My answers on the other forum -

Guys are stronger = This depends on the individual. I doubt that I'm stronger than all women simply due to possessing a Y chromosome.
Guys are better at sports = My country's only Winter Olympics medal was won by a woman. Personally, I'm rubbish at sports.
Guys are players = I'm assuming this is the sex-related one? No, I'm not.
Guys hate reading = I love reading, and spent a lot of time as a child reading.
Guys always have an I dont care attitude = Another sweeping generalisation debunked.
Guys dont get grossed out by scrapes and bruises = Seriously? Are these guys toddlers or something? Men can get "grossed out" by injuries.
Guys are tough = I'm tough in some ways, not tough in others, but I'm not stereotypically tough.
Guys are thick headed = No.
Guys are accosiated with the color blue = Only in the last 100 years. Pink used to be masculine, with blue feminine but the 20th century reversed that. Personally, I prefer red as a colour (or is that dark pink?)
Guys like cars = I don't drive and know almost nothing about cars other than what make they are.
Guys become jocks in high school = No, I was more of a book-reading nerd.
Guys take 2 second showers = I've taken showers that lasted 10 minutes.
Guys like hats = No, I don't wear hats.
Guys wear whatever is clean = OK, this one is accurate but I don't see why it's so bad.
Guys like Car or porn magazines = No and no. I would be far more likely to read a magazine about science, computers, history or genealogy.
Guys brag about intimacy = No.
Guys have more tickets = I don't drive.
Guys take too many chances = Not really. I know plenty of women who take many more chances than I do.
Guys always lose all arguments against girls = No, no male person loses all arguments just because the person they are arguing with is female.
Guys are doctors = The vast majority of men aren't, and there are plenty of female doctors (and male nurses).

I don't care about sports.  I'm not competetive except where marching and concert band is concerned.

I don't care about cars.  (Well, I love the old, white-topped classics, but as far as drooling over magazines and boasting about your car's engine and whatnot, no interest.)

I'm painfully shy with very little confidence in myself. 

I'm not a gamer, but this could be due to a financial incapability to try video games, so maybe I am and just don't know it yet.

I'm not a "player."  I'm almost 20 and I've never dated, but when I do it will be with someone I care about, and not just a way to pass the time.

I'm not muscular and I don't care.  Actually, I prefer it.  I'd rather read a good book or watch Star Wars than work out.

Other than that, I fit the male stereotype pretty well with my interests and personality.  At least, I don't have any similarities with the female stereotype.

I hate team sports.  Although I admire the aesthetics of classic cars, I couldn't care less about what's under the hood.  I enjoy sewing, knitting and beading.  I like romantic comedies (especially if the guy is cute.  )  I'm not very competitive, and I usually excel at diplomacy.  I place more importance on love than on sex.  I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of anything right now.

Yeah, I loathe team sports - and prefer skiing. Oh well, there goes the "hating sports" stereotype...

Quote from: pebbles on March 30, 2010, 01:28:59 PM
I've seen alot of this argument against Trans pepole. The idea goes that we were merely pandering to a gender stereotype a clichéd sexist ideal both socially emotionally and physically of what a male and female ought to be and morph ourselves into this internalized image. imposing this onto society and providing reinforcement to those traditional gender roles and fundamentally undermining the idea of sex equality.

I can't help but wonder how many trans pepole they've met. I mean I don't think I propagate a negative or stereotypical ideal of what it would be like to be female I REALLY want to be a scientist, I hope I have a career in biological sciences I have no interest in becoming a begin a kept woman I'd be terrible with young children I find very young kids grating.

I also don't like make-up I don't hate it to the point that I would NEVER wear it but I just feel it's been overdone. Alot of girls wear it everyday and I feel that doing that removes from it's impact and thus dosen't actually make you more attractive. It's also because it's gritty and I always make a compete ham of it smudging or getting it in my eyes.

So to you guys how are you not like what is stereotypically expected of your desired gender role?

It's such a BS argument, starting with the fact that it's never used against cis folk who reflect gender stereotypes. I don't go out of my way to be girly or butch any more than any other woman. I think that's more or less true for most other trans people I've met: whether men or women, they make about as diverse a group as anyone else.

I study physics. I rock climb. I guess that's "non-stereotypical," but sometimes I do both of those things with other women, indeed, some of the same women. I usually wear (light) makeup, and I like to look pretty. I guess that's "stereotypical." I am athletic, but loathe the kind of competition that many men seem to enjoy. I'm quiet. I'm opinionated. I'm empathetic. I'm not terribly good with children. I like to bake. My apartment is a mess. I drive a beat up truck. I wish I drove a Subaru Outback or Impreza. I like chocolate. I like beer. I enjoy watching sports, but I rarely do.

Am I a stereotype? Am I a rebel? Do I care?

Chocolate???

Did somebody mention chocolate???

Oops, we were talking about being different than stereotypes, weren't we .... I failed .....

Quote from: Alyssa M. on April 08, 2010, 12:23:38 PM
It's such a BS argument, starting with the fact that it's never used against cis folk who reflect gender stereotypes.

Yes. Having a beer in a bar, one of my friends states "That's not a very lady like drink".
I reply, "I don't see you complaining about any of the other beer drinking women in the bar."

Let's see, gender stereotypes... Meh I actually have a google a list for this - confusing topic.

Right, so.. I suppose I'm quite vain in terms of smell/clothing/hair - looking good is important to me.
I'm not a big fan of shopping, I go in, glance, get what I want and get the hell out.
Beer is my #1 drink.
I had to learn not to be careless.
I don't care much for cars.
My hands are always neatly manicured.
I'm a big fan of sports, both in terms of watching and playing them.
I don't really like chocolate.
I'm quite muscular and I love pumping my muscles.
The length of my showers depends on what I'm doing.
My house is always neat, I hate junk.
Oh I love to game.
Meh I was a bit of a player back in the day.
Reading is fun.
Getting dirty is fun (down and- as well).
I like fashion.
I like to watch porn every now and then.

I suppose I'm a bit all over the place with stereotypical behaviour (looking at the list). I know some of the things I like/do would be considered feminine, others masculine, but I never paid it much attention. Whatever works for me and is enjoyable.

I would watch porn all the time if more of it was well-made and reflected my rather unusual tastes.

How i am like a gender stereotype:

I am obsessed with shopping
I wear make-up every day
Im very emotional
I always end up messing with guys heads

How i am not like a gender stereotype:
I dont really like chocolate
I like computer games
I am really messy
Although not a car person i do enjoy driving

How are you NOT like a gender sterotype?

I'm not like a transsexual stereotype!

I'm not like any stereotype.  I'm like every stereotype.  Depends on when you catch me, where my head is at

And a lot of what I read above is B.S. to the point of being warblgarbl.  What?  Guys don't read?  Hello?  Who invented the book?  Who invented the PhD?  Guys that's who.

And the whole 'sports' deal?  What's up with that.  Granted that it's only recently that women got into that, but all men didn't do them, only a select few in most of them.  The 'real' popular ones require hundreds if not thousands of dollars in equipment, more in training - and, at that, few can pull it off.  That, and the definition of what constitutes 'sport' is broad enough to include auto racing, dwarf-tossing, and I see poker being listed on ESPN - really?  Poker a sport?

Quote from: tekla on April 11, 2010, 08:10:09 AM
I'm not like any stereotype.  I'm like every stereotype.  Depends on when you catch me, where my head is at

And a lot of what I read above is B.S. to the point of being warblgarbl.  What?  Guys don't read?  Hello?  Who invented the book?  Who invented the PhD?  Guys that's who.

And the whole 'sports' deal?  What's up with that.  Granted that it's only recently that women got into that, but all men didn't do them, only a select few in most of them.  The 'real' popular ones require hundreds if not thousands of dollars in equipment, more in training - and, at that, few can pull it off.  That, and the definition of what constitutes 'sport' is broad enough to include auto racing, dwarf-tossing, and I see poker being listed on ESPN - really?  Poker a sport?

which is the reason most stereo typys are incorrect

Pebbles:

What a great question!  Also, I love everybody's answers.  Really enjoy learning more about everybody here.

All I can say is, I'm just me ... no affectations ... no airs ... no postures.  I don't know how to be any other way.  Many people may not like the way I am.  Sorry about that, folks.  I'm not trying to curry their favor anyway.

To keep this brief:

Imagine a combination of a laid-back mathematician, a non-stuffy literary type, a responsible hippie [THERE'S an oxymoron for you!] and somebody who has widely varied tastes in just about everything who believes in the motto:  Live and let live. 

That's me. 

I told my gender therapist that many transwomen seem to go for the girly-girly look and behavior.  This, I think, is what may rile up the general public.  I don't know.  Anyway, I don't wear a dress and don't ever plan to.  I go for the upscale casual look ... understated elegance ... well put together but not uptight.

Interest?  Name it!  I'm into SO many things that I have real trouble concentrating on any one thing.  I like it this way.  It's great.  So much to enjoy!  Still love Janis Joplin at full intensity ... still love The Rolling Stones at their down 'n dirty best in the early-1970s ... still love Jimi Hendrix melting everybody's minds doing "Voodoo Chile" at Woodstock!  Hey, what can I say?  By the same token, I love watching the singing group Celtic Woman, watching any Michael Flately dance ensemble, relishing any performance by The Three Tenors (Luciano Pavarotti, Jose Carreras, Placido Domingo) ... you get the idea.  Want some variety of interests?  Here you go:  Ever heard and seen a female Blues Master?  She's just one click away:   

http://www.wat.tv/video/big-mama-thornton-early-in-1ae9l_184gn_.html#id169880nIc0K112164665

... hooha!  Get down!  These would have been my mid-high-school days!  Love it!

All of you have such GREAT answers to this post.  Thanks for your input.  It's SO interesting! 

Take care.   

P.S.:

Yours truly was, is and shall ever be a nerd.  Recruited by The U. of Chicago, given an academic scholarship, theoretical astrophycis major, personally tutored by Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar (Nobel Prize 1983), blah blah blah.  Nerd stuff.  Who else but a real nerd would review a calculus book at www.amazon.com?

Any fellow nerds out there?  Here's the review:

http://www.amazon.com/Calculus-One-Variable-Introduction-Linear-Algebra/product-reviews/0471503037/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_4?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addFourStar

I'm "Old-Time Math Hobbiest" on that page. 

There should be more women mathematicians and physicist!

How I am NOT like a stereotype:

I am not a strong silent type.  I ramble on and on.  I like to talk.
I like to go kissy kissy to my kitties (so does my cisboy flatmate so there)
I like cute things.  I have a ceramic deer collection.
I cry when intimidated, not that I enjoy it.
I read celebrity gossip
I am interested in (mens) fashion
I can't drive.

but then...I am getting really into cars, but only classic cars.  I go to auto shows.  I like sports and am a secret jock.  And I am very competitive, especially when it comes to arm wrestling.


This was all stuff i used to worry about, but what you are into need not define yr gender.  I have learnt that now.

Quote from: elvistears on April 16, 2010, 01:24:11 AM
I like to go kissy kissy to my kitties (so does my cisboy flatmate so there)

Hah yeah, I do that too, and I agree it seems like more of a steriotypically girly thing but my (very male) brother also does the exact same thing.

Quote from: pebbles on March 30, 2010, 01:28:59 PM. . that we were merely pandering to a gender stereotype a clichéd sexist ideal both socially emotionally and physically of what a male and female ought to be .. . I also don't like make-up

Just realizd last night I don't wanna be a Drag Queen or any close approximation thereof; I suppose I've been in the closet way too long because I just wanna be a Good Mom for my kids! Have been with old friends in Jackson Heights NY these past couple of days and was invited to a formal attire, advance sale only Drag Queen Cabaret which is an annual event. Many of the girls looked AMAZING (photos/VDO coming hopefully) and was jealous to say the least but out of the nine contestants maybe only 3 or 4 were FT living pre-op women and when my gay friend owner/sponser and I had sat down to discuss the way I feel about myself he pointed out that . .

"papi if true you prefer men as partners unlike a lot he knew who were married and/or liked women in general then your stll much better off remaining pre-op within the LGBT community rather than try to full transition and thus have to compete with gg women for what would amount to strictly straight male attentions" Edde then went on to remind me of the suicide rate and how in his opinion it primarily relates to irreversable post-op girls and if I want to keep my family intact too then I MUST at least consider keeping thet one (and only) very important male connection appendange!



The house was packed with many gorgious Columbia women as well and trying to tell "who's who" sometimes become a real challenge so IF LIKE tHE TYPICAL GENDER STEROTYPE IN THE SENSE THAT i WAS PAYING AS MUCH ATTENTION TO THE MEN THAT WERE THERE TOO I also realized that in terms of "the heated competition" I may perhaps be better off remaining nominally male out of deference to keeping THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS! 

I'm majoring in graphic design, anything with the word design in it, is probably not very masculine!
I love art, and doing craft projects
I know nothing about cars
I don't like many sports
I like to go shopping
I love cuddling my cat, and he loves daddy's kisses and lovings!!
I'd much rather be barefoot or wearing sandals than in shoes
I like little kids and very much want to be a daddy!
I prefer fruits and vegetables over meats
I enjoy musicals


I don't like stereotyping myself though!

Im sorry what can I say, im living proof of a female stereotype like seriously! Just look at me hahaa

Well for starters my mum usually checks i haven't drowned and died when i get in the bath because i take that long.