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Too soon for girl mode?

Started by Icephoenyx, April 10, 2010, 09:50:37 PM

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Icephoenyx

Hi, I have a few job interviews and am going to look at a few apartments. I don't know if I should present myself in boy or girl mode.

All my credentials are in my male name, and although I love being in girl mode, my voice worries me. I don't think I can sit down and talk with a stranger without freaking out.

But, I don't want to have to 'come out' at work or surprise my landlord. I hate being known as a guy.

What should I do?

Chrissi
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Janet_Girl

You will know when it is time.  I think most do.
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Sarah B

Hi Icephoenyx

Since you have said "all my credentials are in my male name", then in a sense you do not really have a choice in the matter.  You will have to present as male.  As much as you hate "being known as a guy".  I too was in a something of similar situation.

When I started my change I had applied to various universities (in my previous name) and I was accepted to attend several.  However, I wanted to present myself as I am now, however I realized that was not practical. and it would be another 5 years before I attended university as a female.  By then my name was changed, All my documentation was changed and I had my operation.

I do not know what your financial circumstances are or how old you are, or even how well you present in female mode, including voice and what are your current  living arrangements are at the present time.  But consider how I went about my change and using your circumstances I just mentioned and see if you can use a similar approach as I did.

Twenty one years ago, I left my family and friends (in other words I concentrated on me and only me to put it bluntly, which, I did not realize at the time) and within 3 months I was working and living full time as a female.

The first thing I basically every did at the start was I changed my name legally.  I then went around and changed everything to my new name including past documents and transcripts and any form I filled in I always ticked female.

Then, because of circumstances I needed to get a job and using a personal consultant who specialized in placing people (I told this person about my circumstance)  he found me a job with a big engineering firm with my resume in my new name and he also said not to worry about my previous work history.

When I started work I used a very soft voice (I had no training in using female voices although I could mimic certain accents), I had very long hair, used very little make up, I had no electrolysis (I waxed) at this stage or even HRT.  Nobody new anything different and I told nobody about my condition and I was just another female that left one city and arrived in another.  when they asked I told them I had just left a relationship and I did not want to discuss it.  At the time, I just went in did my job and then I left.

So "I never came out at work" and all my 'landlords' at the time never new either.

What should you do? Only you can decide what the most appropriate course of action is based on your circumstances and what others offer in terms of advice, knowledge or past experiences, from which you can draw upon and use for your own journey.

Take care and I wish you all the best for the future.

Kind regards
Sarah B


Be who you want to be.
Sarah's Story
Feb 1989 Living my life as Sarah.
Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.
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Kristyn

Quote from: Sarah B on April 11, 2010, 12:43:50 AM
Hi Icephoenyx



Twenty one years ago, I left my family and friends (in other words I concentrated on me and only me to put it bluntly, which, I did not realize at the time) and within 3 months I was working and living full time as a female.

The first thing I basically every did at the start was I changed my name legally.  I then went around and changed everything to my new name including past documents and transcripts and any form I filled in I always ticked female.



When I started work I used a very soft voice (I had no training in using female voices although I could mimic certain accents), I had very long hair, used very little make up, I had no electrolysis (I waxed) at this stage or even HRT.  Nobody new anything different and I told nobody about my condition and I was just another female that left one city and arrived in another.  when they asked I told them I had just left a relationship and I did not want to discuss it.  At the time, I just went in did my job and then I left.

So "I never came out at work" and all my 'landlords' at the time never new either.



Wow!  That's so similar to my experience except, when I landed my first job, I was already on hrt and done with electrolysis.
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Dana Lane

Luckily I don't have to deal with job interviews but I am going out to look at apartments soon. I don't pass as a female but am full time as a female now so I have no choice but to present as female. All of my legal documents show my male name/gender, etc.

I am planning on moving to what is called the 'gayborhood', though so it shouldn't be a problem.
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Former TS Separatist who feels deep regret
http://www.transadvocate.com/category/dana-taylor
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Icephoenyx

I am on HRT as of about a month ago, but no noticable changes yet. I feel that for the most part I do pass, but again, my voice could use some work. I can sound female, but I sound very fake and strained.

I am 21, done electrolysis for the most part, and looking for my first job and apartment since I am finishing university at the end of the month. I can't live part or full time unless I move out.

Does this help? Please try, the interviews are this week.

Chrissi
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Kristyn

Quote from: Icephoenyx on April 11, 2010, 10:52:20 AM
I am on HRT as of about a month ago, but no noticable changes yet. I feel that for the most part I do pass, but again, my voice could use some work. I can sound female, but I sound very fake and strained.



I find singing helps out the voice a lot.  Sing along to a song you like, learn the dynamics, then practice it solo.  You'll find that this will develop your ability to fluctuate your voice, in turn, developing that feminine lilt that is so needed.
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Sarah B

Hi Icephoenyx

Thank you for giving us a little detail about your life.  You have started making the changes that are necessary to live your life to the fullest.

You have said in your posts that the interviews are this week, you are not that confident that your voice is right and you still have all your documents in your male name.

I can sense the stress you are under and that you want to go full time more than anything in the world.  However, from what I have read that is not probably going to be possible in just a couple of days.

This is what I suggest, go to the interviews and get a job as a male for a short time and apply for an apartment.

At the same time change your name legally and get all your documents changed as well.  Then when this is done go to the boss and say I need to move on and I would appreciate a reference in my new name and do the same with the landlord.

Plan your change so that the least number of people know about it and the forms you fill in with your male name is the absolute minimum.

The more I think about your situation, I realize you need someone to discuss all the possible options or scenarios so that you can begin to live your life as a female.  So go and find someone that you can trust and will help you achieve your dreams.

Take care and all the best for the future.

Kindest regards
Sarah B
Be who you want to be.
Sarah's Story
Feb 1989 Living my life as Sarah.
Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.
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Nero

Quote from: Icephoenyx on April 11, 2010, 10:52:20 AM
I am on HRT as of about a month ago, but no noticable changes yet. I feel that for the most part I do pass, but again, my voice could use some work. I can sound female, but I sound very fake and strained.

I am 21, done electrolysis for the most part, and looking for my first job and apartment since I am finishing university at the end of the month. I can't live part or full time unless I move out.

Does this help? Please try, the interviews are this week.

Chrissi

Well, like others have mentioned, you will be outted anyway due to your male credentials. Could you maybe put looking for the apartment and job off until your name change?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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shanetastic

maybe just deal with the whole coming out work and talk to HR about it or something.  I realize it's not idea, but I mean they'll still see male on some things when you apply too. . . so :/
trying to live life one day at a time
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Icephoenyx

Yeah, for the job interviews I think boy mode is best.

However, I actually went to see 2 of the apartments today and I went in androgyne mode, but more on the girl side. It was actually ok, I was self conscious of my voice but I don't think either of the landlords cared or noticed.

I don't necessarily go full time now, but I do want as many people as possible to know me as a girl.

I'm pretty sure it's best if I move out for May 1. I will have my degree and although I could stay at home to save money, I won't be able to transition any further.


Still a sticky situation.
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Megan

yeah too soon. Wait until at least a name change.
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Cindy

Hi
Just my 5 cents. I don't know where you are (country) but jobs at your age can be intense to obtain. Sadly, I would go boy mode. Your priority is to get a job. Interviewers will discriminate, even if it's against the law. No way will the law ever know. Present as well as possible as a very keen person, well presented and intelligent person. I don't give a damn beyond clean and well presented.  Listen too and answer the questions; REHEARSE.  Never say Ummm. Make sure you know the job profile and what the company does. Have some questions for the panel. and not how much do I get and when can I take holidays ::).  Such as I know you make the best bras in the USA, are their opportunities to sell in different countries? What ever, the idea is to allow YOU to be separated from the rest. At the end of an interview the panel sits and go over their notes. The conversation often goes: #1 was hopeless, totally nervous, didn't like #2 she didn't know anything about the company. #3 was interesting, asked a few questions and seemed keen, Yes and #4 presented well but didn't ask anything. OK lets get refs for #3 and #4 as a back up. OK with that fine - oh you write the report interview up I want #3 subject to refs, let me know this pm. Send out the usual to the fails.

This is how it goes.
Team worker? Disruptive? Going to leave? Can they handle crappy customers/workers? Can they do the job after training? Will they advance in the company structure? Do I like them? Are they going to go out on stress leave? What are they going to bring? Can they do the job? Male or female? If female is she wish to start a family soon?

Many questions that are illegal. It's called life.

I interviewed a charming man for a job, it's on the archives here somewhere, he had tattoos of love and hate on his knuckles, he had a tatt's of swastikas on his arms. He interviewed very nicely and intelligently. I would not have employed him in my lab of five women from cultures as diverse from India, UK, Australia and Sudan; ever. I may have been wrong but I didn't want to find out.

So good luck.
Let us know how it goes.

Love
Cindy
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gothique11

It depends if you feel ready or not.

I started FT the moment I went on HRT and then I got a job in less than two weeks. They still had my resume, from a couple months ago, in my old name. I had people tell me I should wait, or stop going FT just for work. I was a little punk, and went in there, explained what was going on and I wasn't gonna change for them. I got the job, got a name tag as I wanted to, and didn't have too much of an issue. The job was at a 7-11, a busy one, right beside a hick bar. o_0

I legally changed my name when I had the money to do so, which was several months down the road. With that money, of course, I also started laser.

I just felt I was ready, even though I technically put myself right into the line of fire with a lot of people -- I guess I gained a lot of respect by refusing to be anyone but myself.

But, each person is different. I went all in, but others take their time. It really depends on how you feel and when you are ready, and for that, no one can tell you when or when not to.
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Tippe

Hi Chrissi,

I tend to agree with Gothique. My situation was different from yours, because my country doesn't even allow a legal name change without approval from the GID clinic, which meant I basically had to live fulltime for a year hiding my legal name as good as possible.

When I read your post I thought: Do you pass as male? Seriously! I started work in a call centre as male, but found myself needing to live in accordance with my identity presenting more and more girly and at a certain point I started answering company calls with my female name. To my surprise no customers seemed to recognize me as transgendered and during one of my coaching sessions I told my coworker, that I would be answering as a woman while he supervised me, because that's who I am. He absolutely had no problem with that.
I then contacted my boss and basicly told her that I'd been doing female calls for a couple of months without anybody complaining and she basicly told me I was a brave woman and I could correct my name in the company database with her permission. I still hadn't got the permit from the GID clinic at that point.

Later I went out looking for a job as a nurses stand-in and I wondered if I should apply as a woman. I decided to do so, told them I was transgendered and pretty well settled in my female role and I expected to do stand-ins as a woman. I also decided that my ->-bleeped-<- was nothing to be ashamed of, but rather something, which gave me a unique perspective on life outside mainstream expectations; that my being transgendered, having faced discrimination and being seen as unusual by the normative society gave me an insight and understanding in the feelings of the ill people I was going to attend to. I also told the interviewer that I believed my gender incongruency to be a mountain I succesfully conquered and that I believed that the higher the mountains a person conquered in her life the broader her horizon would be and the more mature and mentally robust she was. The interviewer was one big smile ;) First of all she told me she'd never have known if I hadn't told her - not even when I pointed at my summary - and of course she hired me at the spot.

I was recently transferred to a women's only class at nursing school (in fact there is not even one man in my whole year, which is however unusual) and due to some unfortunate administratve procedures at school I was listed under my old name even though I have finally got it legally changed. Although nobody knew me in this class I found out during Christmas party, that one of my class mates had a boyfriend who worked with me during transition at the call centre and they probably had a hint of my transgender status from the original listing of my name even though it was changed in the list before they met me. Despite that I feel very welcome among my peers.

Another reason for me not being stealth is that I had to be really open and determined in my expression as a woman before my close family finally began to accept me. Yet another is that our SSN are gendered and that can only be changed post SRS.

For these reasons I'm not stealth, however I am - as gothique experienced too - very well respected for being who I am. I would have prefered to have done the interview for the call center as a woman and simply explained, that I was transgendered at that time. It would have spared me the trouble of telling all my collegues to change their perception of me later and it would have spared my class mates from the knowledge of my past. Would it make a difference in the long run? Probably not, since I have found myself not wanting to hide my past completely, because I believe being transgendered doesn't make me a second class woman, but rather a woman with an extraordinary experience and a broader perspective on life.


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Tippe
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Katelyn-W

#15
I'm looking for a job at the moment too. I was planning on starting as male, then switching, but after reading gothique11 and Tippe story I think I might go for it. I can see the sense in it, if I plan on telling them anyways eventually, why not prevent some awkwardness between co-workers? Even if they know, I think I pass quite well, and being seen as a woman from the very beginning would probably help a lot. Time to take the jump *gulp*...

Anyways Chrissi, I think you shouldn't worry too much about your voice. If everything is in your male name they'll find out anyways, I say give it a shot, I think I will now too ;).
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