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Perhaps a Transition is in Order

Started by Crow, April 12, 2010, 07:57:01 PM

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Crow

Darn, I was hoping I could go the socially reclusive way and research this by typing in keywords in Google, but that seems not to be getting me very far. Which I suppose is predictable-- search engines rarely turn up much more than the basics, but I still for whatever reason feel rediculous bringing this up, maybe because I've always been very insistent that I'm fine and dandy with my body as it is, and I've always been very insistent that I don't have any desire to change it, particularly not in ways that could be permanent-- no dieting, no tattoos, none of that for me.

So I suppose I'm having a battle with my own ego, here, because I hate admitting I was wrong.

But my body doesn't fit me. I have nothing against it at all, but it doesn't fit. It's like a really fantastic outfit that just isn't the right shape for ME, which is so much harder to admit to wanting to change than something I actually, wholeheartedly despise.

I identify as genderqueer, something to the effect of androgynous (which is probably apparent to anyone who has run across me on my rather sporadic ventures into the androgyne board). That much I've known for a while, now, and have been open about and altogether quite comfortable with. But my body is female. As such, I find myself dressing almost entirely masculine in an attempt to balance out-- compensate for?-- the femininity of my body. That's not what I want to do. I want to be comfortable wearing a skirt one day and a shirt and tie the next (or maybe just consolidate both into one outfit-- that works too), and on some level I am... on an ideological level I am. That's what I want. That's how I envision myself when I draw myself or daydream about myself, but when I wear feminine clothing, I feel so hyper-aware of the femininity of my own body that I can't bring myself to fully appreciate my clothes for what they are: Clothes. Chosen for their comfort and their visual appeal, not their gender connotations.

What seems most comfortable, for me, is the idea of occupying that space between sexes that coincides with the space between genders I already find myself in. What I want, somehow, is to find some feasible way to make that a physical possibility. Testosterone seems like the most logical way to accomplish that. Perhaps short-term use of testosterone? I've looked up the effects and risks and all of that-- I know the basics, I wouldn't even dream of saying I'm an expert in any way, shape, or form. I do know that I'm not interested in surgery of any sort, and I do know that I am seriously considering testosterone, though I wouldn't say I have my heart set on it-- I don't know enough to set my heart on anything at this point in time.

I've thought about this a lot-- I've even posted (though somewhat more hypothetically) about it in the androgyne's board a while back, but it wasn't until this weekend that something finally clicked and everything shifted from the hypothetical realm to some kind of impending reality, albeit a confused "where do I go from here and how?" sort of reality.

So, now that I've completely dumped my ego out on the floor in front of a bunch of people who hardly know me, I suppose what I really meant to ask is... where do I go from here? Who do I talk to, and what do I talk to them about? What kinds of time and money and involvement will all of this really entail? I live in the middle of nowhere, also known as the Midwestern United States, so my area is a little scant on the resources, to say the least.

Also, I suppose I should note that although I am reluctant to admit "I was wrong" (who isn't?), and I'm cautious, because obviously one should not run headfirst into something so huge without thinking it through first, I'm not... unsure about this. I'm just being a stubborn-butt and taking my time poking my head out of this shell I've holed myself up in. So bear with me and my slight lack of social adeptness? 8D;
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brainiac

I feel almost the same, honestly. I denied that I was uncomfortable with my body at all for years, but I came to terms with the fact that I do have some dysphoria. My body doesn't fit me, but I'm still experimenting with presenting as more and more masculine and trying to ease my dysphoria with things like binding/packing. I don't know if I'm going to need T or not, but where I am now, I think I may be able to live with the dysphoria I have and still be happy. I consider the labels genderqueer and transgender to fit me best, probably because they're both so broad. And they give me plenty of room.

I was lucky enough to find a gender therapist who didn't try to pigeonhole me as transsexual when I told her about this*. I hope you can find one who will talk through all of the options you have in transitioning.

* I realized this might be read as offensive... I didn't mean being transsexual is a negative thing! Just that I don't think I want SRS.
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cynthialee

My wife is andro, s/he could have wrote most of your post.
Most andro's do not go the HRT route, but I can't say it doesn't happen. I live with a (self Identified) Female to Androgyne who just happens to be taking T.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Crow

Thanks guys. <3

Also, Brainiac-- I totally know what you mean, about broad labels. I just recently had a fantastic conversation with a friend about how much I love the word "queer" because I can use it to describe myself without worrying about lies of omission brought about by not-quite-right terminology.
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brainiac

Quote from: M->-bleeped-<-iesStealRainbows link=topic=75696.msg517227#msg517227 date=1271121921
Thanks guys. <3

Also, Brainiac-- I totally know what you mean, about broad labels. I just recently had a fantastic conversation with a friend about how much I love the word "queer" because I can use it to describe myself without worrying about lies of omission brought about by not-quite-right terminology.
I totally agree.

Actually, my boyfriend was struggling for a while because he'd internalized the BS that you're either straight or gay, and if he was attracted to me, that meant he was gay. He'd always identified as straight. But he knew that the label "gay" didn't fit him... and then I talked with him about the word "queer" and he realized it fit. It was a big relief to both of us. Both of us have had to do a lot of tossing binaries out the window, and words that are more inclusive and more about spectrums than binaries are really right for that.
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Sevan

*waves* I'd be the spouse that Cynthia's talking about. hehehehe. Yep. I'm female bodied, androgyn identified and on T.

Please please please feel free to PM me and pick my brain if that's what you'd like to do! I don't want to steal the thread and write out my life story or any such thing...I did what I had to do, and took the steps I needed to take to make my mind and body feel more...androgyn. I'm alot like you in that I wanted to wear skirts and things because theyh're pretty and I like them...but yea, they show off my feminine features! They still do...but I feel more comfortable, I feel more...settled and grounded and.."me" as you'd say!

I started T with gel, under the idea of being "low dose". Well...my body used every last little tiny bit and threw me up into the FULLY male range right out the gate! (in my blood test)

I've had to do quite a bit of "emotional yoga" through out this process and I'm only two months into T! There's a therapist who works online through skype and is willing to work with androgyns and do HRT if that's the direction you decide to go. I got the link to his website through the people here at Susan's, so that's an option and it's cheap...for therapy.

What helped me was talking it out, talking it out, writing it out, PMing anyone who said they were willing to listen and just bouncing every single idea I'd ever had. Feelings, thoughts...get them all out. Lay it out, look it over but in the end...taking that leap and starting T. Once you start it will be very clear that it's either for you...or it's not. *huggles*

By the way...I do know how scary it is to admit this is where your at...and let other's see it! Strangers none the less. Big big. That's awesome. *more hugs*
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Crow

Hi! Thanks~ Thanks thanks thanks. <3 (Sevan? Phoenix? What do you prefer to be called by?) I would LOVE to PM you and talk more, although I'm not entirely sure what to say or ask?

But it's really good to know I'm in a similar space to other people!

Talking it out, and writing it out, are really a lot of help. So much more productive than just reading and pondering to myself. Something about articulating things is important.

I definitely think the next step I need to look towards is finding a counsellor-- if at all possible, I would love to find someone close enough to where I live that I could drive there at least for the FIRST time (because I have terrible-bad phone anxiety, and Skyping with a stranger sounds like cause for an instant heart attack), but I'm aware that that may be difficult, since as I said, I live in the Midwest. It's hard enough to find ANY trans-resources here, much less genderqueer-friendly ones.
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LordKAT

Midwest includes Minnesota which has a fair bit of resources as does 2 cities in Wisconsin. What state are you in?
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Crow

...I'm in Indiana. The closest city with ANY resources is Indianapolis (which I believe is about a 3 hour drive), but technically I'm also within under-a-day's drive from Chicago.
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LordKAT

Cool, I've been to Indiana. West Lafayette.  Chicago has resources but I'm not sure where yet for you. If I find something that may be closer I'll let you know tho.

Have you checked tsroadmap?
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Crow

Awesomesauce~ Thanks! (Oh hey, I have an accquaintence who goes to college in West Lafayette. Yep yep.)

This lady is the closest counsellor I've found thus far. She's in Indianapolis. I don't know aaaanything about what I'm looking for, though, so it's hard for me to tell if she might be a good reseource or not.

I think there may also be some resources in Bloomington, but I'm having difficulties finding much information. I know Indianapolis, Bloomington, and Chicago are definitely the three most promising close-by cities, though (if 3+ hours away really counts as "close by").

I've never even heard of tsroadmap, but I can check that out now?
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Sevan

Sevan if you please :) I should maybe start a blog here.. Hmmm tempting! I'll have to pull some of my thoughts and ramblings from other spots I've put my thoughts down. I think there are alot of andros that might feel like they'd want hormones or hormone blockers but worry they wouldn't be andro anymore if they did that. For such a long time I was stuck with the thought that t was for the guys, and I'm not one of the guys.. I finally just took the leap and said hell with it and it's been stinking awesome! 
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LordKAT

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Sevan

Here's a video blog I made not so long ago on the topic of my androgyn-desire for breast reduction, and reasoning behind being on T. I have done a couple of videos before and since this one...but I really like this one in particular.
http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/candiussell/fam/?action=view&current=100320-165623.flv
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ativan

Quote from: phx_rising on April 13, 2010, 12:06:26 AM
I think there are alot of andros that might feel like they'd want hormones or hormone blockers but worry they wouldn't be andro anymore if they did that.
Yeah that here, except I feel I should feminize my body just some, like it needs to be more comfortable. I'm just starting to toy with the idea, and I have no idea if that's possible. Although I haven't looked exstisivly, I haven't run across anything like partial feminizing. If anyone has any info, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting to be more serious about it lately. Like my view of myself, I just think I'd feel better a little more on the fem side of the middle. (like I really know what the middle actually is LOL)

LordKAT...a minnesotan?  I wonder sometimes how many there are here.
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Crow

Sevan, that video is SO much of what I've been feeling. So so much.

Alsoalso, thanks for that link, Kat~ There actually appear to be listings in my city, so perhaps I'll look more into that... though I really suspect I'll end up going for Indy/Chicago/Bloomington, because the resources here seem to be more of the "oh, and we counsel trans people sometimes, too" variety rather than the actual, dedicated, knowledgeable variety that might be able to really comprehend my situation. (That, and I'm really iffy about getting involved with the mental health system in my own city... because my mom works in the mental health system, here, and the prospect just doesn't it well with me. Not just for gender things-- I just don't want to be in any way, shape, or form find myself in the mental health system in this city.)
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Sevan

Quote from: ativan on April 13, 2010, 10:01:47 PM
Yeah that here, except I feel I should feminize my body just some, like it needs to be more comfortable. I'm just starting to toy with the idea, and I have no idea if that's possible. Although I haven't looked exstisivly, I haven't run across anything like partial feminizing. If anyone has any info, I'd appreciate it. I'm getting to be more serious about it lately. Like my view of myself, I just think I'd feel better a little more on the fem side of the middle. (like I really know what the middle actually is LOL)

LordKAT...a minnesotan?  I wonder sometimes how many there are here.

Dear Ativan~ have you considered just an anti androgen like Spiro? Nicki was (is?) doing a middle ground though I feel uncomfortable speaking on her behalf! A good therapist and a knowledgable endo could do safe and awesome things to help you toward comfort in skin. Blocking the T would go a short way toward feminizing without the added FEMINZATION of adding E. HTH

Awww M->-bleeped-<-ie *hugs* Glad I could put words to some of your thoughts...so many here and elsewhere have done so for me.l (Is M->-bleeped-<-ie a suitable name? Or would you prefer...what would you prefer? lol)
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Crow

Oh, names! I usually go by Diane, though I alternatively go by Crow. Either of the above works. Thanks for asking~
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ativan

Quote from: phx_rising on April 13, 2010, 10:56:40 PM
Dear Ativan~ have you considered just an anti androgen like Spiro? Nicki was (is?) doing a middle ground though I feel uncomfortable speaking on her behalf! A good therapist and a knowledgable endo could do safe and awesome things to help you toward comfort in skin. Blocking the T would go a short way toward feminizing without the added FEMINZATION of adding E. HTH
Yeah, I was very interested in how that was going to play out. She decided to keep going! Which is great! I like Nicki. (have you seen her vlog?). There was a certain point that she went farther than I think I want to go. Actually, I've been paying you a lot of attention. Seems like your doing the exact thing I want to (except in reverse, but thats way beyond the point). The points you make are like I had said those same things to myself. Soooo, yeah, Spiro could and probably is the best option, but I think its going to be hard to convince anyone I only need a little, to change a little, LOL. But I also have anger issues from that testosteroni guy in me, my therapist is awhere of the fact that the internal conflict is causing the anger (Dominate male telling the female to shut the **** up). Not really that bad, but I think I have that option open....maybe. And of course it scares me. But part of feminizing is kicking the block out from under the male. I'm a very nice, compassionate person, It's just gotten to be less and less of that over the yrs. My daughters love her very much, even though they call her Papa. This isn't the split personality that it sounds like, not at all, it's just my way of explaining it.
I talk to much.....
You and Nicki and No_id are at the top of my list here in the Androgyne world. I wish I could be of more help around here, too. So, Thanks! (I like your video you just put up)
Ativan
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Sevan

Awww Ativan that's so sweet! You've given me the last little nudge I needed to start a blog here. I figured I shouldn't cuz no one would read it. HA. Silly Sevan....

Well...ermm...never mind that. *blushes* There aren't any blogs anymore. Hmf. Bummer. Guess I'll have to link to my blogger in my siggy like so many others do. :) That'll work.
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